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Topic: #7 Notre Dame 27, #6 Penn State 24 Postgame

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2025, 08:10:19 AM »
Clearly, the "best team" has a relatively small shot at winning the NC.  
Gator Guys argument is the 9-7 Giants beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl in 2012 for a 2nd time. But I agree about stopping at 4 or 6 in the CFB POs,the season has to count
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2025, 08:19:11 AM »
At this moment, I suspect "sportwriters" would vote Ohio State #1, but ND would get some votes too, and Texas might get a couple.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2025, 08:22:18 AM »
well, it was very regional, so .............
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2025, 10:06:40 AM »
have you tried to recruit top ten classes to Happy Valley, Pennsylvania???

Is Happy Valley a particularly bad craphole compared to all the other craphole college towns that still bring in top classes?  Does PSU lack any elite players?  If you can get some of them, you can get others.  

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2025, 01:30:53 PM »
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2025, 02:20:09 PM »
This is a very interesting game.  I guess I haven't personally been sold on Penn State all year. I think Allar, even though he's a local kid that grew up a stone throw from MB and a 5 minute car ride from me, I believe he's wildly overrated. I'm still surprised Penn State has found a way to make it this far as they should have lost to Minnesota, scrambled to beat USC late which could have easily been an L and mightily struggled against a very mediocre Bowling Green team. They did play OSU tough, which imo was their best performance of the season even though it was a loss. I think their path has been favorable. 

Both defenses are indeed solid defenses so on paper looks like it will be a lower scoring, close game that will boil down to one factor. Coaching. I think Franklin chokes in key situations and I think Freeman is an incredible coach that is just beginning to hit his potential.  Sure, we can claim Franklin's losses are to top 10 teams, but that's not just it.. he chokes in big moments where his team could have won and probably would have won with better coaching.  With two even teams, I'll put the advantage on the shoulders of Freeman. The Buckeye will carry his boys to the title game. 

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2025, 05:24:32 PM »
In a year where the top 4 seeds all lost, maybe ranking teams by number of losses will now be viewed as childish.  Oregon had a big, round zero in the loss column....didn't seem to matter. 
On thing that *SHOULD* change but probably will not is that in the era of 16-18 team mega-conferences, we can no longer view all SEC schedules nor all B1G schedules as equal.  

Compare the toughest (based on conference record) to easiest B1G games for Ohio State and Indiana (Ohio State listed first):
  • 9-0 Oregon / 7-2 Ohio State
  • 8-1 Penn State / 5-4 Michigan
  • 8-1 Indiana / 4-5 Washington
  • 6-3 Iowa / 3-6 Nebraska
  • 5-4 Michigan / 3-6 MSU
  • 3-6 Nebraska / 3-6 UCLA
  • 3-6 MSU / 2-7 Northwestern
  • 2-7 Northwestern / 1-8 Maryland
  • 0-9 Purdue / 0-9 Purdue

You can certainly argue the specific merits of individual teams.  For example, based on the RB result, Indiana's toughest game was arguably tougher than Ohio State's.  However, the bottom line is that Indiana played only two B1G teams that finished with winning records in the league and they went 1-1 in those games.  Ohio State played five such teams and went 3-2.  My point is that these two league schedules, despite both being B1G schedules, are nowhere close to equal.   

Similarly from the SEC, here are Florida's and Mizzou's 2024 SEC opponents sorted by SEC record (Florida listed first):
  • 7-1 Texas / 5-3 Bama
  • 6-2 Georgia / 5-3 USCe
  • 6-2 Tennessee / 5-3 aTm
  • 5-3 Ole Miss / 3-5 Arky
  • 5-3 LSU / 3-5 Vandy
  • 5-3 aTm / 2-6 Oklahoma
  • 1-7 Kentucky / 2-6 Auburn
  • 0-8 MissSt / 0-8 MissSt

You can again argue the merits of individual teams but the bottom line is that Mizzou played three SEC teams that finished with winning records in the league and lost to all three.  Florida played twice as many winning SEC teams and went 2-4 against them.  Mizzou finished 5-3 in the SEC while Florida finished 4-4 but it is pretty obvious that Florida was a MUCH better team they just had a MUCH tougher SEC schedule.  

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2025, 05:32:26 PM »
Florida is an interesting team, they came on late when I thought they might completely fold.  Their coach was "almost" fired, and then they started playing quite tough.  Lagway is a good young mobile QB who will improve.  But, to your point, some SEC teams also dodged the better teams a lot more than others.

Missouri this year never impressed me after the start, they were edging poor teams barely and missing most upper level teams.

They were like Indiana somewhat, only worse.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2025, 05:50:04 PM »
Florida is an interesting team, they came on late when I thought they might completely fold.  Their coach was "almost" fired, and then they started playing quite tough.  Lagway is a good young mobile QB who will improve.  But, to your point, some SEC teams also dodged the better teams a lot more than others.
Florida did come on late in that their two big wins (5-3 LSU and 5-3 Ole Miss) were their last two SEC games.  In the four games prior to that Florida went 1-3 but to their credit the three losses were to the three best teams in the SEC.  

It is hard to say how much of it is coming on late and how much is just the way the schedule worked out.  I mean, if they had defeated LSU and Ole Miss earlier in the season then lost their last two SEC games to Georgia and Texas people would probably say that they "folded down the stretch" but those are the exact same results just in a different order.  

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2025, 05:51:21 PM »
Yeah, but they also beat preseason top ten FSU late too.  

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2025, 05:55:24 PM »
Is Happy Valley a particularly bad craphole compared to all the other craphole college towns that still bring in top classes?  Does PSU lack any elite players?  If you can get some of them, you can get others. 
Hayden Fry had turrible things to say about the bus ride to Happy Valley
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2025, 11:33:27 PM »
Can't wait to watch this with my PSU fan BIL (who has never been to Happy Valley) and my Notre Dame fan FIL (who has never been to South Bend).

In case anyone wonders why this is the ultimate hate Final 4


No one from Pittsburg or Philly has ever ventured out beyond their own outer belt. 

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2025, 12:29:11 PM »

No one from Pittsburg or Philly has ever ventured out beyond their own outer belt.
As someone who lived in the Philadelphia "outer belt," went to Penn State, moved to DC, then back to the Philly burbs, then Phoenix, and now Virginia... you're at least wrong once. 


 

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