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Topic: Opening up for Football

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2020, 11:34:49 AM »
The biggest problem is how to treat positive tests. Say it's Wednesday before OSU Michigan and a couple OSU players test positive. Cancel the game?
just hold out the 2 players
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2020, 02:52:49 PM »
not sure schools or players would agree.  If Iowa had 2 guys on their team test positive on Tuesday, would you want to play them on Friday?  What are the legal implications for the school allowing the team to play?  What is Iowa's responsibility?   I think it becomes very complex quickly.


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schools are thinking about it...

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2020, 03:14:00 PM »
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2020, 04:09:10 PM »
I try not to make thing too complex

2 guys are infected - those guys go into quarantine for 2 weeks - no practice, no games.  

Come back in 2 weeks with a negative test
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2020, 05:30:21 PM »
Right, but then you have to immediately re-test everyone - every player, coach, support staff, etc.  And I'd wait 3 weeks, with multiple clean tests before introducing them back with the team.


So we'd potentially have teams playing without random groupings of players.  If your team loses its QB and stud DT in a weak section of the schedule, cool.  Or if you lose a backup center and your 5th CB, so what?  But say you have a position group that has an outbreak - your whole starting D-line and 2 backups are out....wtf?  Or they're out 2 weeks earlier, but are held out of a huge game, waiting on another test to come back clean.  

Or of the thousands of FBS players, 3 die.  Is football worth it then?  We're back to the economy vs lives conundrum.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2020, 05:40:41 PM »
I try not to make thing too complex

2 guys are infected - those guys go into quarantine for 2 weeks - no practice, no games. 

Come back in 2 weeks with a negative test
Issue is that this is so transmissible that if you find 2 players infected on a team, there are a BUNCH more infections. Especially since football is such a close-contact sport. 

I agree that any time you find any players you need to quarantine them... But how contagious were they for 1-3 days before they tested positive, and how many players did they have close contact with who now have a 3-5 day incubation period (a portion of which they're contagious) until they'll test positive?

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2020, 06:48:06 AM »
I have to think that the players will be tested daily. There is no other way to do it.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2020, 06:52:25 AM »
We're back to the economy vs lives conundrum.
A bad economy costs lives too.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2020, 08:05:51 AM »
This really comes down to a sport versus some risk.  Some people who don't care for the sport will claim ANY risk is too much.  Others will claim the risk is slight and only 0.000000094% of people get the disease (or some such imaginary Russia bot figure).  

As noted above, "we" don't have any idea how just going to class and living in dorms is going to work out.  Are colleges inherently going to develop hot spots?

I imagine as soon as reports of an outbreak happen, students will desert en masse.

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2020, 08:42:12 AM »
A bad economy costs lives too.
We're not "back to the economy vs. lives" discussion.  We never left it.  It has always been, and always will be, a part of the balancing act that must be performed to allow people to live in the free society that we have created.

And there's no such thing as "The Economy."  The economy is just people.  Right now a lot of them are jobless, hungry, and scared. 

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2020, 08:50:29 AM »
Yeah, "we" always make compromises between economy and lives, the speed limit being one of them.  "We" could ban for example non-nutritive food items (which would eliminate about a third of any Kroger).  My KO stock would suffer.

Sweden, often held up as being a paragon of economic virtue, has decided to rely on its people to distance and manage this virus without a shut down.  They seem to be managing as well as or better than France, Italy, the UK, Belgium in terms of deaths per million pop, but not as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.

Football itself is dangerous obviously, and yet we all savor it, somewhat like the old Romans did.

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2020, 12:19:08 PM »
A bad economy costs lives too.
Yeah....hence the conundrum. 
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2020, 12:25:23 PM »
Sweden, often held up as being a paragon of economic virtue, has decided to rely on its people to distance and manage this virus without a shut down.  They seem to be managing as well as or better than France, Italy, the UK, Belgium in terms of deaths per million pop, but as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.
What?

Sweden:  pop ~10 million
~33,000 cases
~ 4,000 deaths
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Norway:  pop ~ 5 million
~ 8,000 cases
= 235 deaths


You can chop Sweden's numbers in half and it's still nearly 10x the deaths of Norway.  Please don't spew bullshit.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2020, 12:28:20 PM »
I think Cincy meant to write "but not as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark". Otherwise the statement makes no sense, and anyone who has looked at the numbers knows that Cincy couldn't have believed that Sweden was doing as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.


 

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