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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #126 on: May 26, 2020, 04:24:37 PM »
I saw a  study on deaths in 2020 compared to historical norms.  If you take the normal death rates and add Covid to them, there is a gap...  I think some flu deaths were actually covid but we didn't know it.  Therefore, people had it and didn't know as well.  jmo

riffraft.... not everyone who survives COVID-19 is ok.  Lung scaring will take years off your life.    In general, I get your point.  I just wanted to point out that some small % of the survivors end up with long term health problems. 



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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2020, 04:42:26 PM »
I saw a  study on deaths in 2020 compared to historical norms.  If you take the normal death rates and add Covid to them, there is a gap...  I think some flu deaths were actually covid but we didn't know it.  Therefore, people had it and didn't know as well.  jmo
That data is available from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

We didn't really start going above normal until mid-late March. 

Agreed about the gap, though. It's one of the reasons I argue we're not overcounting COVID-19 deaths. Maybe not ALL of the gap is COVID, but I would suspect some are. 


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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #128 on: May 26, 2020, 04:54:04 PM »
What I saw was global broken down by regions... europe, asia, etc.  That might explain some differences in timing.  It was interesting that cities with COVID spikes had unexplained death spikes as well.    Cities without the covid spikes saw muted increases in total as well. 
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #129 on: May 26, 2020, 05:33:57 PM »
I imagine this will get studied extensively, huh, in the future.  We may find things later we just don't know now at all, and don't suspect.  The difference in death rates versus the norm is fascinating.

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« Reply #130 on: May 26, 2020, 07:28:00 PM »
It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers

I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities

also, throwing out NYC stats

I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.

Then you could go after meat packing plants
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #131 on: May 26, 2020, 07:29:44 PM »
It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers

I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities

also, throwing out NYC stats

I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.

Then you could go after meat packing plants
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #132 on: May 26, 2020, 07:30:26 PM »
It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers

I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities

also, throwing out NYC stats

I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.

Then you could go after meat packing plants
It sounds like Darrell Hazell. 

"Well, if you remove the 5 touchdowns the other team scored, I think our defense played pretty well."

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« Reply #133 on: May 26, 2020, 07:50:41 PM »
just saying, nursing homes, NYC, and meat packing plants don't reflect 90% of the country

no place in the country is the same as all other spots, but ....

if Purdue played defense much worse than the rest of the Conference, it could skew the numbers 
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« Reply #134 on: May 26, 2020, 07:57:11 PM »
just saying, nursing homes, NYC, and meat packing plants don't reflect 90% of the country
The unspoken conclusion is "so it's not that bad for the rest of us".

Whereas while nursing homes are one thing (a tight aggregation of the most vulnerable population), NYC or meat packing plants isn't. Essentially those should show us all that this is a pretty aggressively transmissible virus, such that anyone in close proximity sees it rip through like crazy.

But people are going the opposite direction like "well we can throw those numbers out because they don't matter to us" when I'm saying they absolutely matter to you.

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« Reply #135 on: May 26, 2020, 08:00:25 PM »
the difference with packing plants is they have trouble keeping employees

hard work for little pay

therefore, they gave employees bonuses for continuing to work every shift w/o missing one for a month even though many many were sick and showing all the symptoms of COVID

all about production and money 
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« Reply #136 on: May 26, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
According to Nebraska’s 2019 financial year report, NU brought in a total of $35 million of revenue in seven home games in 2018, all of which were sold out. With its relatively minimal expenses, that’s $32 million of net income from home football games that helps fuel NU’s athletic budget.

If capacity for the 2020 season fell to 20,000 or 30,000 fans, as some in the sport have suggested, Nebraska could lose as much as $27 million of game-day revenue, slicing total game day revenue to only $8 million.


Surprised to see the TV revenue figure is about the same

There’s also the question of TV money. Nebraska collected $36 million from televised football games last season. But Moos said that could drop in 2020.

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/teams/football/nebraska-could-lose-27-million-in-gameday-profits-with-20-000-fans-at-memorial-stadium/article_306e2df1-c0f0-58b4-8dee-122109bf0c38.amp.html
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« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2020, 07:10:00 AM »
Frost needs a pay cut, to a salary commensurate with his performance. That would help.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #138 on: May 27, 2020, 09:18:20 AM »
the difference with packing plants is they have trouble keeping employees

hard work for little pay

therefore, they gave employees bonuses for continuing to work every shift w/o missing one for a month even though many many were sick and showing all the symptoms of COVID

all about production and money
Yeah, and that's true of the restaurant industry too. Hard work for little pay. And once some of these servers/cooks come off unemployment and they need that money again, they're going to try to suffer through as much as they can. Sure, we might have mandatory temp screening at the beginning of a shift for a few weeks, but who knows how long they'll diligently be doing that.

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #139 on: May 27, 2020, 10:56:53 AM »
It was interesting in this book about the TC railroad how the folks in California had trouble getting workers.  They often didn't get paid.  So, they sort of caved in and hired Chinese with considerable debate and trepidation.  It turned out they worked harder and longer and cheaper and with few labor issues than anyone else, so they actively promoted folks in China to come over.

I see that today with Hispanics and jobs like meat plants and construction.  Nearly every construction site around us is being worked by Hispanics.  And you don't see them standing around lollygagging either.


 

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