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utee94

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2020, 03:28:01 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on May 26, 2020, 03:18:36 PM
The overrun only happened in a few areas.  What if it happens in Dallas and Houston next time?  This was really only a problem in a few areas according to many.

Btw.. we never quarantined.  Name a state where you could not leave your house to get groceries?  The US actually just shut down segments of the economy and asked people to stay home as much as possible.  There was no quarantine.  So all we did was slow down the spread.. .nothing else.  Foolish for those who suggest otherwise (not you, but those who suggest we would eliminate the virus). 

I probably work around the wrong people.  And I know people who have had the virus.  I'm not for shutting down for another 8 months, but many are being reckless and proud of it.  I hope the fears expressed to me are just that...




It was shut down to the point that there was nowhere to go-- not even parks were open in my community.  No bars/restaurants/retail stores/parks/beaches/lakefront.  Nothing.  It was all completely shut down.  Only thing open was grocery, and hardware stores.  WalMart and Targets that have groceries were also allowed to remain open.

That's a pretty stout shutdown in my opinion.  People that are NOT sick were told they couldn't go to any of those places above. 

And I'm glad that it seems to have been effective.  Given the complete vacancy at area hospitals and the fact that many of them had to cut hours for doctors and nurses, and lay off nurses and staffers, you might even say it was overly effective.

I'm telling you right now, well people in this country aren't going to put up with it again.  This was the government's one chance to do it.  I hope they got it right.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2020, 03:36:26 PM »
One thing to always remember about being prepared...  if the response was "you over reacted" it actually means you did your job effectively.

In Missouri, shut down wasn't really enforced.  For a few weeks... yes..., but people were going to parks well before things opened and drive way gatherings started to be the norm.  After 2 weeks, people felt safe and starting socializing with others who were "safe".  Farmers never stopped... the food industry was business as usual.    A lot did shut down, but if I wanted friends over, there was nothing stopping me from doing it.  And people justified what they wanted to do.  We all have friends on FB to prove that point. 

That said...  I think we made many mistakes.  Some, at the time felt correct.  I do think if you take away the financial concerns (say.. the gov't pays all mortgages, rent, etc for 3 months), the rush to go back would have been more measured.  When you tell someone they have a 3% chance of catching the virus and a 100% chance of losing everything, it's tough not to suggest the economy shouldn't open back up.    Feels like we've been on a pendulum and now we over react again. 
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 03:41:32 PM by Entropy »
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2020, 03:39:35 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on May 26, 2020, 03:36:26 PM
One thing to always remember about being prepared...  if the response was "you over reacted" it actually means you did your job effectively.

That said...  I think we made many mistakes.  Some, at the time felt correct.  I do think if you take away the financial concerns (say.. the gov't pays all mortgages, rent, etc for 3 months), the rush to go back would have been more measured.  When you tell someone they have a 3% chance of catching the virus and a 100% chance of losing everything, it's tough not to suggest the economy shouldn't open back up.    Feels like we've been on a pendulum and now we over react again. 
Yeah, I see a lot of folks saying this.  And I get it.

But sometimes, if the response is "you over reacted"-- it might just be because you overreacted.

It's pretty clear to me that the measures implemented in NYC were not enough.  The measures implemented in Austin, Texas, were probably too much.  
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2020, 03:39:44 PM »
btw... I missed debating with you.   found memories...
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2020, 03:40:28 PM »
I added this above...

In Missouri, shut down wasn't really enforced.  For a few weeks..yes...,  but people were going to parks well before things opened and drive way gatherings started to be the norm.  After 2 weeks, people felt safe and starting socializing with others who were "safe".  Farmers never stopped... the food industry was business as usual.    A lot did shut down, but if I wanted friends over, there was nothing stopping me from doing it.  And people justified what they wanted to do.  We all have friends on FB to prove that point.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2020, 03:42:14 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on May 26, 2020, 03:39:44 PM
btw... I missed debating with you.  found memories...
It's all good my old friend.  

I'm just expressing my opinion of course.  I definitely took it more seriously than many in my family, at first.  It took a couple weeks of arguing with my parents before I could get them to stay in and stop socializing.  Once all the restaurants closed, that inhibited them, of course. :)
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2020, 03:46:32 PM »
another way to say that... as I'm on a conference call.. lol....   Around us, after 2 weeks, opinions of social distancing seemed to flex based upon the desires of the individual.    "as long as I'm outside..."   "we've all been isolated"...  "kids need to hang out.. not fair to them"...

and btw.. I did participate in a driveway gathering.   And we did justify it.   I'm not a lock down person, but I do think closing the door one week and opening it the next is not the right approach.  just how I feel.  

So I probably agree with you on what we did.. to an extent.   I have more issues with how we have decided to reopen.  That's just me..
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #119 on: May 26, 2020, 03:47:49 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 26, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
It's all good my old friend. 

I'm just expressing my opinion of course.  I definitely took it more seriously than many in my family, at first.  It took a couple weeks of arguing with my parents before I could get them to stay in and stop socializing.  Once all the restaurants closed, that inhibited them, of course. :)

My parents took some time as well.  My mom visited a casino and my dad never stopped working.  
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #120 on: May 26, 2020, 03:51:27 PM »
I don't know if there's any true "good" way to reopen, or at least no way that's going to satisfy a majority.

Right now we're doing limited capacity and distancing within restaurants and bars and retail.  Concerts and sporting events are still not happening. People are naturally wary and are returning slowly, anyway, according to their own level of comfort/risk aversion.  As I keep saying, I believe this is a good thing.  Because I'm of the opinion that the virus is here to stay and so a slow burn is the best way to move toward herd immunity while not overrunning the hospitals.

And I think 3 months from now things are going to look very different for us.  Especially if reliable antibody testing is rolled out, because I think we're going to find a pretty high percentage of young people have already been infected.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #121 on: May 26, 2020, 04:06:01 PM »
agree.  I think we will find out a lot of people had this in Jan and Feb.  
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #122 on: May 26, 2020, 04:06:30 PM »
Any little overreaction would be directly due to the fact that most people need to be saved from themselves.  The fact that most infected people don't show symptoms only exacerbates this "brilliance."  

Yes, we have freedoms and value them.  Yes, we have the freedom to be stupid (or reckless, if you prefer).  But a person's freedom to be stupid stops the moment it puts me or others at greater risk.  

No, most people congregating close to each other in large groups won't be infected.  No, most of those infected won't know it.  And no, most who know it won't die...but some will.  Some people will die because they wanted the freedom to have a good time.  

They have the freedom to die.  And state governments haven't been overreaching to try to save them from themselves, they've been trying to simply take care of the people.  

It's not a bad thing.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2020, 04:11:17 PM »
I still at a complete shock that we are treating this as the Black Plague.

You take away New York and the stats are low

You take away nursing home deaths and again the death rate is very low.

If you are old and/or have an underlying condition stay isolated. If you know people like this stay away from them.  Do the type of things we have done forever with the flu.

If we have a hot sport. Shut things down there.

INSTEAD IT IS FLEE PANIC DEATH IS COMING SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S LIVES. If you are under 60s and no underlying condition, you may get it, but the odds are just a favorable of surviving as if you got the flu, yet we are going to treat this differently.

In the UK researchers for a vaccine are worried they may not have enough infected people to be able to reliably test a vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i

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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #124 on: May 26, 2020, 04:14:12 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on May 26, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
agree.  I think we will find out a lot of people had this in Jan and Feb. 
I doubt that... People keep suggesting it, but given the way this thing came on that would be a LOT of people with mild or asymptomatic cases and essentially zero severe/deadly cases. 

Unless this thing had a horrible mutation right around late February, it just doesn't make sense. Especially since we saw heavy deaths in Europe before they started here.
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Re: Opening up for Football
« Reply #125 on: May 26, 2020, 04:21:02 PM »
Quote from: Riffraft on May 26, 2020, 04:11:17 PM
I still at a complete shock that we are treating this as the Black Plague.

You take away New York and the stats are low

You take away nursing home deaths and again the death rate is very low.

If you are old and/or have an underlying condition stay isolated. If you know people like this stay away from them.  Do the type of things we have done forever with the flu.

If we have a hot sport. Shut things down there.

INSTEAD IT IS FLEE PANIC DEATH IS COMING SHOUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S LIVES. If you are under 60s and no underlying condition, you may get it, but the odds are just a favorable of surviving as if you got the flu, yet we are going to treat this differently.

In the UK researchers for a vaccine are worried they may not have enough infected people to be able to reliably test a vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i


You're ignoring that the virus is novel to humans. 
We don't have any clue what (if any) long-term affects there are.  Even recently, it seems to cause a whole different set of problems on some children.

You're acting like we knew all about it in February.  We don't know all about it NOW.  Sorry, but no, we cannot afford to assume every novel virus is no big deal. 

You can be as loose with your health/life as you want, but the rest of us will, as we should, be cautious when something completely new starts to spread.  This is not even a debate.
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