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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: ON TOPIC: Spring Football
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2025, 04:47:08 PM »
I feel like a part of that is just sports?

Maybe they’re blowing extra smoke, but part of the experience is getting excited about stuff you’ve not yet seen. It’s the reason folks perpetually get over their skis about a young quarterback who they’ve never seen.
Yep. Also the reason why guys are constantly pining for the backup QB when the starter is struggling because the backup looked good in the spring game and "has potential". And obviously the coach is just a MORON for not playing him! (Despite the fact that the coach sees the backup every day in practice and knows every wart he's got in his game.)

And this gets worse because EVERYONE remembers the time a backup comes in for a benched starter and actually balls out and wins the starting job. But nobody seems to remember the times--and I think they're far more common--where the backup comes in and makes everyone remember why he's the backup. 

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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2025, 04:48:45 PM »
UW needs to have a QB1 stay healthy all season. Been a while.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2025, 11:54:23 AM »
I think the portal business has taken the wind out of a lot a sails...

...Volnation traffic has dried up postseason...

There are still a few die hards over there hanging on every nugget, but they are a tenth of what they used to be.

To elaborate further: On the Arizona Wildcats fan board I frequent, football talk has completely dried up for both Arizona football and commentary on rivals. In the offseasons, we’d always kept things going, like last offseason with talk of UCLA’s coaching change or Lincoln Riley trying to whine his way out of the season opener VS USC. Now there’s maybe one post a WEEK on the archrivals board.

Basketball talk is understandably still high on the Arizona Wildcats board, but the traffic for football has shifted (rather than dropped) to other topics such as politics on the non-sports boards. It looks like that’s sort of what’s happening here. Last offseason, so many of my posts centered on the upcoming football season. Now look at our board – our offseason talk has picked up for movies, music, books, travels, retirement, etc. Admittedly, the only offseason story I’ve actively tracked is Bill Belichick’s laughable start at UNC.

Remember fifteen and twenty years ago ESPN drew not-small ratings from World Series Of Poker broadcasts? You’d pay attention to what cards players had and, aided by percentage trackers on the screen, follow along to each hand played? Now imagine if players, before playing their hand, could buy the cards they wanted from other players or tables? Thus raising their odds for a winning hand? It would greatly remove anticipation for how various hands are played against each other. That’s kind of what happened to our offseason. Ohio State and Oregon can see who has the king and queen cards and can build their own flushes and full houses before the rest of us can play our hands. Between plays they can get the cards they want, and raise their percentages into the nineties between every hand played. Who wants to pay attention to the same offseason every offseason?

It took two or three previous offseasons of Transfer Portal nonsense, but this is the offseason when the bulk of us fans realized this.

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2025, 12:45:28 PM »
Yep. Also the reason why guys are constantly pining for the backup QB when the starter is struggling because the backup looked good in the spring game and "has potential". And obviously the coach is just a MORON for not playing him! (Despite the fact that the coach sees the backup every day in practice and knows every wart he's got in his game.)

And this gets worse because EVERYONE remembers the time a backup comes in for a benched starter and actually balls out and wins the starting job. But nobody seems to remember the times--and I think they're far more common--where the backup comes in and makes everyone remember why he's the backup.
This points to two things that I’ve started to believe:

-The developmental value of in-game reps is often very overrated

-fans often understate the fact that most coaches at a high level, know infinitely more about what they’re looking at than we do. Even the bad ones. They are soooo much smarter about football than the average person.

That doesn’t mean they’re always right. But the baseline knowledge is in a whole different space.

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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2025, 12:45:43 PM »
UW needs to have a QB1 stay healthy all season. Been a while.
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2025, 03:07:44 PM »
This points to two things that I’ve started to believe:

-The developmental value of in-game reps is often very overrated

-fans often understate the fact that most coaches at a high level, know infinitely more about what they’re looking at than we do. Even the bad ones. They are soooo much smarter about football than the average person.

That doesn’t mean they’re always right. But the baseline knowledge is in a whole different space.
I think you are right here.  Even in situations where the HC is ultimately "proven" to have been wrong, he *PROBABLY* came to that wrong conclusion through information that the rest of us simply don't have.  

This is an important principle that applies elsewhere.  The rest of this post probably belongs in weird history or something but it is an application of the principle so I'm just going to type it here.  

General George Meade was in command of the Union Army at Gettysburg where a great Union victory was won.  However, Meade has been criticized ever since for failing to substantially destroy the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia.  This criticism started almost immediately after the battle and though an exact quote is difficult to source, President Lincoln himself appears to have believed that a more decisive pursuit of the Confederates by General Meade's Army of the Potomac could have effectively ended the war.  

Armchair Generals who have the luxury of "commanding" armies weeks, months, years, decades, or in this case more than a century and a half after the action have argued for years that Meade missed a golden opportunity.  The argument makes sense on it's face. 

 Here is a map of the Union and Confederate lines on July 3, 1863 which was the last day of the battle.  Note that the Confederates were to the North and West while the Union Army was to the South and East.  In theory Meade's Army of the Potomac *SHOULD* have been able to cut off the retreat by Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, cut them off from resupply, and killed/destroyed/captured the bulk of the Confederate Army.  

I've heard this argument ever since I've known about the battle but it occurred to me that Meade *MUST* have had some reason(s) for not doing something that, on it's face, seems to be the rather obviously correct military strategy.  

A few years back I read this book, Retreat from Gettysburg:  Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign
this book, Retreat from Gettysburg:  Lee, Logistics, and the Pennsylvania Campaign.  If you are REALLY interested in US Civil War history, I recommend it.  If not, not so much.  Most of it is REALLY dry logistical stuff so it isn't very exciting but it DID answer my question.  Meade had a lot of reasons not to pursue the Confederates more vigorously after winning the Battle of Gettysburg.  

One reason was simply to preserve the victory.  Meade knew that he had won a major victory for the Union and was hesitant to risk blowing that by potentially losing a major battle by overstretching his army trying to accomplish more than was realistically possible.  

The second, and bigger reason was intelligence.  Meade didn't have a lot of solid information about the status of the Confederates.  He did, however, have very good information about his own forces and it was troubling.  Despite ultimately winning the battle, Meade's forces had suffered around 25% casualties (those aren't all KIA, some were wounded and would return but they were NOT available to Meade in the immediate aftermath of the Battle).  Additionally, the troops that he had available to pursue were exhausted after marching long distances to get to Gettysburg then fighting a major battle at Gettysburg.  Finally, Meade's troops were critically low on supplies including food and ammunition.  

They say that hindsight is 20/20 and from my office, 160 years after the fact, I KNOW that Lees problems were much worse than Meade's.  Meade's forces had suffered about 25% casualties but Lee's had suffered s similar number of casualties out of a smaller force.  Additionally, just like Meade, Lee's remaining forces were exhausted and while Meade's supply situation was critical, Lee's was borderline catastrophic. 

I know this because I can look it up online and I read it in the aforementioned book but Meade did NOT have those options available to him.  Apparently the Army of Northern Virginia didn't have internet access and Kent Masterson Brown's book was almost 150 years from being published.  

Attacking Lee with understrength (by roughly 25%) units that were exhausted, hungry, and short on ammunition would have been a hell of a gamble.  In theory it might have worked out but that brings us back to the first point.  Why take that big of a gamble trying to turn a major victory into a war-ending victory when the downside risk is that you turn a major victory into a potentially war-losing defeat?

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Re: ON TOPIC: Spring Football
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2025, 04:05:57 PM »
It rained for like 3 straight days after the battle the locals thought it tears from heaven. Meade was a fackin' hero and a topographical engineer who could read the lay of the land and knew how to take the right ground and fortify it. That hack Dan Sickles w/o orders advancing and getting his division cut to pieces shouldn't even have been in uniform - he was a political appointee.

After he got his leg blown off the fraud went back to Washington and told anyone that would listen that Meade almost botched the battle but that he(Sickles) thru shear will rallied the faltering troops to victory. Should have hung that asshole with the Lincoln conspiritors
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2025, 04:36:55 PM »
It rained for like 3 straight days after the battle the locals thought it tears from heaven. Meade was a fackin' hero and a topographical engineer who could read the lay of the land and knew how to take the right ground and fortify it. That hack Dan Sickles w/o orders advancing and getting his division cut to pieces shouldn't even have been in uniform - he was a political appointee.

After he got his leg blown off the fraud went back to Washington and told anyone that would listen that Meade almost botched the battle but that he(Sickles) thru shear will rallied the faltering troops to victory. Should have hung that asshole with the Lincoln conspiritors
Sickles was definitely a disaster. 

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Re: ON TOPIC: Spring Football
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2025, 08:59:46 PM »
This points to two things that I’ve started to believe:

-The developmental value of in-game reps is often very overrated

-fans often understate the fact that most coaches at a high level, know infinitely more about what they’re looking at than we do. Even the bad ones. They are soooo much smarter about football than the average person.

That doesn’t mean they’re always right. But the baseline knowledge is in a whole different space.
you've just started to believe the bolded?
I guess you didn't have an Osborne or a Devaney to follow 
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2025, 09:19:39 PM »
They had King Barry,who are these Osborne and Devaney types you speak of???
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2025, 09:53:38 PM »
well, he should have STARTED to believe when the king got things going
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Re: ON TOPIC: Spring Football
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2025, 06:21:43 PM »
Catsby,

That's a good point about the recruiting service business taking a hit in all this.  Never thought about that.  I wonder how it's going for them so far. 

Update - this article from Essentially Sports might accidentally have an idea.

In speculating where QB Iamaleava might next sign now that he's decamped from Tennessee: "The AI chatbot Grok, which is known for its recent accurate and blunt take on issues, provided other teams, too, who could be in contention to land the QB. The chatbot primarily highlighted UCLA, Oregon, Notre Dame, and Ohio State to rope in the QB’s services."

So there you have it - "AI chatbot Grok" is a qualified insider.
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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2025, 07:53:03 PM »
Michigan football official twitter account releases videos of Bryce Underwood & Jadyn Davis throwing in spring ball. As of right now it's a two horse race as transfer QB Mikey Keene has been out of spring ball with an undisclosed injury and last years part-time starter Davis Warren is still rehabbing the ACL he tore in the bowl game.

yeah obviously these twitter videos mean nothing- but not loving Michigan down to just two guys right now- would've been ideal for Mikey Keene to go through spring ball.

hot takes from the video: Jadyn Davis is a lot smaller than Bryce which is a little crazy considering Bryce is just 17 years old and should be in HS right now....Jadyn Davis also still has a funky ass slingshot sidewinder throwing motion still- Tebow-esque....it's fucking hideously ugly and weird. Bryce on the other hand....that shit is text book....beautiful....dare I even say Marino-esque- up and out....up and out.


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« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2025, 08:11:03 AM »
Wisconsin lost its starting LT to a torn ACL.

Just dandy.
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