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Topic: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2018, 03:10:29 PM »
This is just a poorly coached undisciplined team.
The only unit that for the most part holds its own 
Is the qb/wr for the most part. For some reason 
Our coaching staff thinks never asking a guard or tackle 
To pull, wham, anything is a good way to run the 
Football. you can’t run when even on running
Plays your essentially pass blocking.

The roughing the passer call that kept a Purdue TD drive 
Alive was correct and horrible for an experienced player
To make, likewise in a return punt call roughing the kicker
Is inexcusable. 10 penalties in all, sloppy undisciplined 
Football. 

Defensively we lack imagination, our defensive line even
When Bosa was there was good but not great. The LBs
Are just awful, none of them can get off a block and lack
Speed and instinctive playmaking. The 2ndary is unable 
To make even a routine tackle.

Add in a missed FG, a botched kick return and OSU failed
In basically every aspect of the game.

Everyone keeps saying the next 3 games are easy for Ohio st before Michigan, I don’t think there’s a gimme left the way this team plays. They
Seem to lack motivation, fight, there’s no killer instinct on this
Team and going into week 9 it’s too late to develop it.

Credit to Purdue, they fought, and wanted it more. And they might
Not have as many playmakers as OSU but their top
Guys are better. And frohm is arguably the best coach in the 
Conference.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2018, 03:14:28 PM »
It's 3:06 pm on Sunday and I'm still smiling.  I can't believe Purdue took the lead and never looked back.

Before this, a bowl game was questionable.  That loss to Eastern Michigan could have doomed the Boilers.  Now there is an outside shot to a B1G west title.  This coaching staff is kicking some ass, and they all deserve whatever money will come their way.

I can't stop watching this...


https://twitter.com/boilerfootball/status/1053866411775459334?s=12

The Rondale Moore screen for a TD at 2:28 is off the hook.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2018, 03:20:38 PM »
Not a prediction just a matter of fact: Watching this Purdue offense versus this Michigan defense would be ... amazing.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2018, 07:12:31 PM »
Can a team really give another team "their best shot" while giving other opponents less than that?

I just watched an OSU make mistake after mistake, penalties, alignment issues, not being able to run the ball, giving up on trying to run the ball ...  a Perfect Storm.

We see this happen every year to top teams, which is why going 13-0 is so rare.  Somehow, a team can "have a bad game" and get upset once a year, even a much better more talented team.

I view it more as a statistical event than something relating to motivation.  You don't quite make that first down, you have a crucial penalty, some WR drops a ball, then the team starts pressing, which is mental, and things spiral out of control.

And Purdue has a pretty good well coached team.  I hope they can keep their coach.  They were a team I "had my eye on" this year.  As noted, they lost 3 games that could have been wins.
The answer to your question is HELL YES.  Having played this game and coached it, nothing is more certain than the “ emotional” part of it.  Denying this would seem like teams could just play on paper.
How many times do we see it?  Was Auburn really better than Bama last year?  Was Iowa really 55-24 better than OSU last year.  It’s why the transitive property doesn’t work at all.
It has nothing to do with how “ good a team is”.  It is about what they are capable of, both good performance and bad.
 That’s why night time road games heavily favor the home team.
Most teams are capapble of Super crisp performances. It usually comes from the gut....a game you have circled on your calendar, where you actually respect that the opponent is really good but you are so focused and intense, it carries you to another level.
It’s like Patterson of TCU said after losing to OSU- something to the effect that this was the game they prepared for all summer and fall, and playing well and losing will be hard to come back from. I think PSU ha that night game white out circled as well, because of how they lost to OSU last year.
Purdue looked amazing last night, and it wasn’t a fluke, great coaching and highly motivated team and atmosphere. But that will likely be the best game they play all year.
Why do you think teams that meet twice often have different outcomes.
Make no mistake...in college football the variance between a team’s best and worst is quite wide, and mostly impacted by emotional factors and atmosphere.  
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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2018, 07:20:25 PM »
This is just a poorly coached undisciplined team.
The only unit that for the most part holds its own
Is the qb/wr for the most part. For some reason
Our coaching staff thinks never asking a guard or tackle
To pull, wham, anything is a good way to run the
Football. you can’t run when even on running
Plays your essentially pass blocking.

The roughing the passer call that kept a Purdue TD drive
Alive was correct and horrible for an experienced player
To make, likewise in a return punt call roughing the kicker
Is inexcusable. 10 penalties in all, sloppy undisciplined
Football.

Defensively we lack imagination, our defensive line even
When Bosa was there was good but not great. The LBs
Are just awful, none of them can get off a block and lack
Speed and instinctive playmaking. The 2ndary is unable
To make even a routine tackle.

Add in a missed FG, a botched kick return and OSU failed
In basically every aspect of the game.

Everyone keeps saying the next 3 games are easy for Ohio st before Michigan, I don’t think there’s a gimme left the way this team plays. They
Seem to lack motivation, fight, there’s no killer instinct on this
Team and going into week 9 it’s too late to develop it.

Credit to Purdue, they fought, and wanted it more. And they might
Not have as many playmakers as OSU but their top
Guys are better. And frohm is arguably the best coach in the
Conference.
 I heard some good analysis on ESPNU radio.  Basically saying that the OSU d-line is quite good and played well. Had pressure on Blough most of the night. But Brohm did a great job taking advantage of the OSU weakness - the LBs and DBs ( more the LBs).
They opined that while not horrible, they are not up to normal OSU standards.  Seems about right to me.
A couple things I pointed out last week as well.  
- pass happy teams are often. OT good at running- it is not how they practice
- there is a toughness missing to OSUs team this year, and it may well be because they don’t have a real leader among the players.  No J.T., no Billy Price, no Bosa.
- Urban seems soft to me.  It’s like he wants to be Mr. Nice guy after the whole ZS bombshell.
Either way, they do not have a championship caliber defense and they can’t count on the run.  Unless those things get miraculously fixed, I see them dropping at least two more.  On the other hand, the players are athletic enough that I would not be shocked to see measurable improvement.  But I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2018, 08:57:33 PM »
The Buckeyes made a lot of mental errors, momentum got on Purdue's side.  The biggest thing was being to keep them out of the end zone, while some think the passes were dropped, the defensive back was there to let's say help him drop it.  And to think Purdue had a super human performance is just not the case.  There are usually 4,5,6 plays that can turn a game and tonight Purdue made those plays, by the time Ohio State woke up to start making plays they were in a 28-6 hole and OSU just couldn't stop the big plays at that point.  Michigan State is struggling right now, Purdue has a good run defense, Brohm is an excellent coach.  Sorry Brutus, don't see these guys laying an egg next week.  Great atmosphere at the game last night, lot of OSU fans and some were a$$ hats (I know huge surprise there) but the good news after the 1st half didn't here much from them.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2018, 08:49:44 AM »
I heard it was 4 trips to the red zone. An interesting thing about that is, even if each had been a TD+XP, it still wouldn't have been enough to win. That's nuttier than the blowout to me.
This is my concern and I don't get it.  I knew going in that Ohio State had some issues but how can you lose THAT badly to a team that is good and better than their record but by no means a serious CFP contender?  
Some thoughts now that I have watched the game and had time to digest it a bit:
First, to answer my earlier question about how it is possible to have ~500 yards passing and only 20 points:
  • A 48 yard drive for a FG
  • An 83 yard drive for a missed FG
  • A 69 yard drive for a FG
  • A 73 yard drive for nothing (lost on downs)
  • Total of those four, 273 yards, 6 points

I think that Purdue's biggest accomplishment (and it may be difficult to duplicate) was that they didn't turn the ball over.  All year Ohio State's Defense has been somewhat "feast or famine".  They have given up lots of yards but they have also been very good at creating turnovers.  Purdue's yardage totals aren't THAT far out of line with with other teams have done against Ohio State.  The difference here is that Purdue had zero turnovers.  Turnovers are HUGE.  Even in this 29 point game, if two of Purdue's TD drives had instead become pick-6's then it would be a one point game and we'd be talking about made/missed XP's and 2pt Conversions.  It wasn't because Purdue managed to completely avoid turnovers.  

Ohio State's Defense (rush yards allowed, pass yards allowed, turnovers):
  • OrSU:  196, 196, 2
  • Rutgers:  69, 65, 2
  • TCU:  203, 308, 3
  • Tulane:  100, 156, 0
  • PSU:  206, 286, 1
  • IU:  84, 322, 2
  • MN:  178, 218, 3
  • Purdue:  161, 378, 0

Ohio State's Defense is weird.  They aren't great but they have generally made up for it with turnovers.  In their previous seven games the Buckeyes averaged almost two turnovers per game so my earlier example of flipping two of Purdue's TD drives into turnovers isn't all that outlandish.  That makes this team very hard to project because turnovers have an enormous impact on a game.  

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2018, 09:07:10 AM »
The impressive thing, to me, was how when OSU started the come back, and you began to feel as if this was "one of those games" where the less talented team gets a lead and then blows it, Purdue managed several long runs up the middle.  I think OSU was playing a press defense and once the RB was through that mess it was a foot race.  

We've all seen many potential upsets turn into wins by the favorite late in the game.  It didn't happen this time, the underdog even extended the MOV.

Purdue managed a near perfect game, improbable but possible, and OSU managed a very flawed game, also improbable but possible.  The confluence leads to major upsets.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »
Not sure if it is a google employee is a closet Purdue fan or what, but Google Maps currently shows Ross Ade Stadium as "Nutcracker Stadium"

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4335421,-86.9180898,17.16z


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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2018, 11:36:54 AM »
Purdue swept the weekly B1G awards.

Offensive Player of the Week - David Blough, QB

Defensive Player if the Week - Markus Bailey, LB

Special Teams Player of the Week - Joe Schopper, P

Freshman of the Week - Rondale Moore, WR, KR, PR (although this award was split with Nebraska's Adrian Martinez)

Congrats Boilers!

https://bigten.org/news/2018/10/22/big-ten-football-players-of-the-week.aspx


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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2018, 11:50:54 AM »
hah, I was going to post those weekly awards here

tough for a kid like Martinez to break in here with the huge Purdue win

Nebraska quarterback Adrian Martinez was honored Monday as co-Big Ten Freshman of the Week. Martinez shined in Nebraska’s 53-28 victory over Minnesota, leading a Nebraska offense that put together its highest point total ever in a Big Ten Conference game. Martinez shared the honor with Purdue freshman receiver Rondale Moore.

Martinez completed 25-of-29 passes for 276 yards and three touchdowns, while rushing for another 125 yards and a touchdown. Martinez’s 401 yards of total offense marked his third 400-yard total offense effort in the past four weeks and he has already tied the Nebraska career record for 400-yard games.

In the passing game, Martinez’s 25-of-29 effort against the Gophers set a Nebraska record for best completion percentage in a game with a minimum of 20 attempts. The previous record was held by Dave Humm and stood for 44 years. The 86.2 percent completion percentage was also the best in the country this season for any quarterback with more than 25 pass attempts.

Martinez’s effort paced Nebraska to 659 yards of total offense, the Huskers’ most since the 2014 season opener against Florida Atlantic. It was Nebraska’s highest total offense output in a Big Ten Conference game and its most in any conference game since 2007 against Kansas State.

In addition to his Big Ten honor, Martinez was also honored by the College Football Performance Awards as the CFPA Co-National Performer of the Week.
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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2018, 11:54:46 AM »
I don't feel so bad about the Huskers 28-42 loss to the Boilers now......

Boilers were good in the Red Zone in Lincoln as well, both sides of the ball
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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2018, 01:24:19 PM »
Tough for a kid like Martinez to break in here with the huge Purdue win
Tough for anyone to break in with a player like Rondale Moore.  This is his 3rd Freshman of the Week award.  He leads the B1G in receptions, receiving yards, and is 2nd in receiving TDs.

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Re: Ohio State (4-1, 7-1) at Purdue (3-1, 4-3) Postgame
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2018, 03:06:05 PM »
I also thought that part of what caused a problem for Ohio State was that all of those stalled drives were early in the game.

Purdue was up 7-0, OSU only managed a FG. Purdue was up 7-3, OSU got to the red zone and missed a FG. Purdue finally extended to 14-3, halftime.

Purdue gives OSU the ball to start the 2nd, they drive to the red zone and only manage a FG, now down 14-6. Purdue responds with a TD, 21-6. OSU drives to the 2 yard line on the next drive, but turns over on downs, still 21-6.

At this point, OSU starts getting one-dimensional, because time is ticking and they need to start scoring. That made them tight and easier to defend, and allowed Purdue to spend time focusing on rushing Haskins. 

But those first four trips to the red zone only gave 6 points, and in that time period Purdue only managed 21 of their eventual 49. Had OSU, say, made their three FG's and then gotten a TD on that 4th & goal from the 2 yard line, we're looking at a 21-16 game. 

I think if you go into the 4th quarter at 21-16 rather than 21-6, this endgame plays out much differently. But down 21-6, Purdue was feeling confident and OSU was feeling desperate. 


 

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