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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2022, 12:35:53 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 04, 2022, 12:23:48 PM

One metric I like is based on AP rankings. You get a point for being ranked 20th for a week and 20 points for being ranked first for a week, then tote'em all up.

Last I saw of this, it had OSU first by quite a bit and then the usual suspects.

Total AP Poll appearances (1936-12/5/2021):

1.	Ohio State	949	79.1%	8.1	1
2.	Michigan	886	73.8%	9.5	1
3.	Oklahoma	876	73.0%	7.7	1
4.	Notre Dame	848	70.7%	8.4	1
5.	Alabama	840	70.0%	7.2	1
6.	USC	787	65.6%	9.5	1
7.	Texas	748	62.3%	9.3	1
8.	Nebraska	730	60.8%	8.3	1
9.	Penn State	664	55.3%	10.1	1
10.	Florida	641	53.4%	10.3	1
11.	LSU	640	53.3%	10.7	1
12.	Georgia	628	52.3%	10.6	1
13.	Auburn	602	50.2%	11.3	1
14.	Tennessee	588	49.0%	10.6	1
15.	Florida State	560	46.7%	8.6	1
16.	UCLA	536	44.7%	11.9	1
17.	Miami (FL)	509	42.4%	9.1	1
18.	Texas A&M	483	40.3%	12.5	1
19.	Clemson	476	39.7%	11.8	1
20.	Washington	456	38.0%	12.3	1
21.	Arkansas	426	35.5%	11.8	1
22.	Michigan State	415	34.6%	11.7	1
23.	Wisconsin	412	34.3%	13.1	1
24.	Iowa	356	29.7%	13.0	1
25.	Oregon	334	27.8%	11.5	1

Total AP Poll top-10 appearances:

1.	Ohio State	668	55.7%	4.8	1
2.	Oklahoma	621	51.7%	4.3	1
3.	Alabama	599	49.9%	3.8	1
4.	Notre Dame	583	48.6%	5.1	1
5.	Michigan	532	44.3%	5.3	1
6.	Nebraska	518	43.2%	4.9	1
7.	USC	473	39.4%	4.8	1
8.	Texas	453	37.8%	4.9	1
9.	Penn State	394	32.8%	5.9	1
10.	Florida State	368	30.7%	4.5	1
11.	Florida	357	29.8%	5.4	1
12.	Georgia	335	27.9%	5.8	1
13.	LSU	323	26.9%	5.9	1
14.	Tennessee	321	26.8%	6.2	1
15.	Miami (FL)	309	25.8%	4.3	1
16.	Auburn	296	24.7%	6.0	1
17.	UCLA	222	18.5%	5.8	1
18.	Texas A&M	210	17.5%	6.4	1
19.	Clemson	200	16.7%	5.0	1
20.	Arkansas	199	16.6%	6.8	1
21.	Michigan State	188	15.7%	4.9	1
22.	Washington	176	14.7%	5.9	1
23.	Wisconsin	173	14.4%	6.9	1
24.	Oregon	152	12.7%	5.4	1
25.	Georgia Tech	146	12.2%	6.3	2

Total AP Poll top-5 appearances:

1.	Alabama	443	36.9%	2.4	1
2.	Oklahoma	430	35.8%	2.7	1
3.	Ohio State	405	33.8%	2.7	1
4.	Notre Dame	317	26.4%	2.7	1
5.	Nebraska	296	24.7%	2.8	1
6.	Michigan	293	24.4%	3.4	1
7.	USC	282	23.5%	2.8	1
8.	Texas	267	22.3%	3.0	1
9.	Florida State	243	20.3%	2.8	1
10.	Miami (FL)	204	17.0%	2.4	1
11.	Florida	188	15.7%	3.2	1
12.	Penn State	172	14.3%	3.2	1
13.	Georgia	156	13.0%	3.3	1
14.	LSU	135	11.3%	3.0	1
15.	Auburn	130	10.8%	3.5	1
16.	Tennessee	122	10.2%	3.2	1
17.	Clemson	117	9.8%	2.7	1
18.	UCLA	110	9.2%	3.5	1
19.	Michigan State	109	9.1%	2.6	1
20.	Texas A&M	82	6.8%	3.8	1[/

Mdot21 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2022, 12:43:33 PM »

remarkable decade for OSU for sure. Kinda nuts to me that they just keep on crushing the coaching hires.

Even Cooper was a hell of a coach save for the fact that he couldn't beat Michigan. He had bunch of 10-11 win seasons. Tressel was a Hall of Fame coach. Urban is one of the greatest college coaches ever. And this new guy- Ryan Day- dude is a freaking demon play caller and offensive genius.

You know the top 3 TD pass single-seasons in B1G history?

1) Dwayne Haskins, 2018 - 50 TD passes
2) CJ Stroud, 2021 - 44 TD passes
3) Justin Fields, 2019 - 41 TD passes

Ridiculous.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2022, 01:20:59 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on January 04, 2022, 11:38:15 AM

bama and tosu are 1/2 in win%. not sure when that happened, but it's been within last year or so.

mich is still 1 in wins (976), but bama and osu are tied for 2nd (942). bama, fwiw, has 966 on field wins with 24 being vacated/forfeited from the textbook¹ and napkin/agent² "scandals". not sure what tosu's would be without the tattoo thing (did they take away wins for that?).

1 - in 06-07 players bought textbooks with their scholarships for their non-sports friends (vacated 16 wins)
2 - in 93 cb langham played all season while ineligible. he had signed a "contract" with an agent on a napkin in a bar while drunk and partying after winning the 92 national title. (forfeited 8 wins)

OSU lost ten wins

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2022, 01:24:25 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 04, 2022, 01:20:59 PM

OSU lost ten wins

OSU shouldn't have cheated, bro. they'd still have them wins

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2022, 01:26:39 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on January 04, 2022, 01:24:25 PM

OSU shouldn't have cheated, bro. they'd still have them wins

Kind of funny now. They exchanged memorabilia they received at a bowl game for tattoos.

lol- now they could get paid to rep the tattoo parlor AND get tattoos.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2022, 01:32:07 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on January 04, 2022, 01:26:39 PM

Kind of funny now. They exchanged memorabilia they received at a bowl game for tattoos.

lol- now they could get paid to rep the tattoo parlor AND get tattoos.

I know, just breaking balls.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2022, 02:02:55 PM »

12 divided by 14 is .857.

13 is .929.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2022, 02:04:19 PM »

If you go 14-1 one year and 11-2 the next you are .892.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2022, 02:23:53 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 04, 2022, 02:04:19 PM

If you go 14-1 one year and 11-2 the next you are .892.

Yeah, it is REALLY tough to go .900 over a 10 year stretch which is why it has been done so few times. For the current 10 years:

Bama is 127-12 and will finish either 128-12 (.9146) or 127-13 (.9071)
Ohio State is 117-13 (.9000)

Ohio State has 10 less games partially because they've made less CG's and partially because of the COVID-shortened 2020 season but both are averaging just over one loss per season with Bama averaging almost 13 wins and tOSU averaging almost 12.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2022, 02:41:08 PM »

I would have thought it impossible, or nearly so, which I suppose it really is. Nearly so. A decade of that? You can't have many 2 loss seasons.

Just staying with a 12 game regular season, it's tough, as 11-1 and 10-2 gets you 21-3, which doesn't cut it.

11-1, 11-1, 10-2 would be 32-4, which also is only .889.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2022, 03:47:27 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on January 04, 2022, 02:41:08 PM

I would have thought it impossible, or nearly so, which I suppose it really is. Nearly so. A decade of that? You can't have many 2 loss seasons.

Just staying with a 12 game regular season, it's tough, as 11-1 and 10-2 gets you 21-3, which doesn't cut it.

11-1, 11-1, 10-2 would be 32-4, which also is only .889.

Well, it is complicated today by the flexible number of games. Between Bama and tOSU over the current 10 years (2012-2021) you have:

One eight game year (tOSU-20) - COVID shortened season
Two 12 game years (tOSU-12, Bama-20) - Postseason ban for tOSU, Covid for Bama
Five 13 game years (Bama-13, tOSU-15, tOSU-16, Bama-19, tOSU-21) - 12 and a bowl
Seven 14 game years (Bama-12, tOSU-13, Bama-14, tOSU-17, Bama-17, tOSU-18, tOSU-19) 12, a bowl, and either a CCG or an NCG
Five 15 game years (tOSU-14, Bama-15, Bama-16, Bama-18, Bama-21) - 12 plus a CCG, plus 2 CFP

For the whole 10 years Bama averaged 14 per season while tOSU averaged 13. If you ignore the seasons shortened by COVID and postseason bans then:

Bama averaged 14.22 games per year in a range of 13-15
tOSU averaged 13.75 games per year in a range of 13-15

If you average 13 games then you can lose 13 games in 10 years or one every year and an extra loss roughly every three years.

If you average 14 games then you can lose 14 games in 10 years or one every year and an extra loss almost every other year.

If you average 15 games then you can lose 15 games in 10 years or exactly three every two years. This however, would require making both your CCG and the NCG EVERY year.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 04, 2022, 04:08:44 PM »

Going forward, Ohio State and Alabama are the only two capable of achieving .900 or better for 2013-2022:
Ohio State:
The Buckeyes went 12-0 in 2012 so they have to replace 12 wins and ZERO losses. That makes it tough. Assuming a full season is played the Buckeyes would only make it by going undefeated (15-0). They would also make it in a somewhat shortened undefeated season so long as they won at least 12 games.

Alabama:
Bama went 13-1 in 2012 so they are replacing 13 wins and one loss. They are slightly over .900 so with a win over UGA:

15-0 gets them to 130-11 or .9220
14-1 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
13-1 gets them to 128-12 or .9143
13-2 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
12-2 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
11-2 gets them to 126-13 or .9065
12-3 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
11-3 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
Three losses with less than 14 games or more than three losses puts them under .900.

With a loss to UGA:

15-0 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
14-1 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
13-1 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
13-2 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
12-2 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
Two losses with less than 14 games or more than two losses puts them under .900.

Next closest is Clemson. If they go 15-0 in 2022 that will get them to 125-15 or .8929 for 2013-2022. After that is Oklahoma, a 15-0 season in 2022 would get them to 112-21 or .8421 for 2013-2022. None of the others could even get over .8000 for 2013-2022 let alone .9000.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2022, 02:04:30 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 03, 2022, 11:40:57 AM

I tracked this for all the traditional helmets and a few others back to the first AP Poll. Ie, the first 10-year period that I have tracked is 1927-1936 and I tracked it for:
tOSU
USC
OU
TX
ND
M
TN
LSU
Bama
FSU
PSU
Clemson
UF
Miami, FL
UNL
Those are sorted by their worst 10-year. Ohio State is far-and-away #1 on that metric.

To put this in perspective, in all of the 10-year periods from 1927-1936 through 2012-2021 here are all of the .900 decades:
0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1948-1957
0.9245, OU was 97-7-2 from 1949-1958
0.9130, Bama was 126-12 from 2011-2020
0.9095, OU was 94-8-3 from 1947-1956
0.9071, Bama was 127-13 from 2009-2018
0.9071, Bama was 127-13 from 2012-2021
0.9000, tOSU was 117-13 from 2012-2021

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on January 04, 2022, 04:08:44 PM

Going forward, Ohio State and Alabama are the only two capable of achieving .900 or better for 2013-2022:
Ohio State:
The Buckeyes went 12-0 in 2012 so they have to replace 12 wins and ZERO losses. That makes it tough. Assuming a full season is played the Buckeyes would only make it by going undefeated (15-0). They would also make it in a somewhat shortened undefeated season so long as they won at least 12 games.

Alabama:
15-0 gets them to 129-12 or .9149
14-1 gets them to 128-13 or .9078
13-1 gets them to 127-13 or .9071
13-2 gets them to 127-14 or .9007
12-2 gets them to 126-14 or .9000
Two losses with less than 14 games or more than two losses puts them under .900.

Next closest is Clemson. If they go 15-0 in 2022 that will get them to 125-15 or .8929 for 2013-2022. After that is Oklahoma, a 15-0 season in 2022 would get them to 112-21 or .8421 for 2013-2022. None of the others could even get over .8000 for 2013-2022 let alone .9000.

Updated for Bama's final 2021 record.

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