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Topic: Odds we have a football season poll

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #532 on: August 16, 2020, 02:22:08 PM »
This isn't a very personal choice, it's a very communicable disease.  That's the whole thing. 
Says the guy who called POTUS a dictator 
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #533 on: August 16, 2020, 02:25:55 PM »
A rational goal would be to balance "risk and reward" and close down higher risk activities that are not severe penalties so as to keep hospitals up and running.
In a more general sense, we each have individual risk/reward goals, but the problem is that our own individual risk/reward matrix very rarely accounts for externalities. 

A healthy 23-year-old with no comorbid conditions who wants to go to the bar with his friends to watch his alma mater's football game is making a risk/reward calculation. It's that his enjoyment of the event is worth the risk of catching COVID-19, a disease which has very low probability of hurting him in any significant way. 

But with something like COVID, the degree of community spread causes risk to FAR more people than just he and his buddies, unless everyone in that bar lives alone and immediately goes home to a bubble for 2 weeks afterwards. Which of course isn't going to happen. The guys who is an unknowing asymptomatic contagious carrier who thinks he's only risking himself and his buddies may not be taking into account the risk to his waitress trying to earn a living but who lives with her 88-year-old grandmother. Why would that risk enter his calculation? He doesn't know that risk even exists. 

The rational goal is to try to preserve as much economic activity as we can while minimizing community spread. Part of that is that we ask everyone to take part in taking precautions and not doing things which will unfairly burden society by increasing community spread for frivolities. But instead, somewhere between 350-400K people decided that going to a motorcycle rally and not taking precautions was essential. 

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #534 on: August 16, 2020, 02:26:46 PM »
Says the guy who called POTUS a dictator
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Aspiring dictator. Thankfully he's not there yet. :57:


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #535 on: August 16, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »
In a more general sense, we each have individual risk/reward goals, but the problem is that our own individual risk/reward matrix very rarely accounts for externalities.

A healthy 23-year-old with no comorbid conditions who wants to go to the bar with his friends to watch his alma mater's football game is making a risk/reward calculation. It's that his enjoyment of the event is worth the risk of catching COVID-19, a disease which has very low probability of hurting him in any significant way.

But with something like COVID, the degree of community spread causes risk to FAR more people than just he and his buddies, unless everyone in that bar lives alone and immediately goes home to a bubble for 2 weeks afterwards. Which of course isn't going to happen. The guys who is an unknowing asymptomatic contagious carrier who thinks he's only risking himself and his buddies may not be taking into account the risk to his waitress trying to earn a living but who lives with her 88-year-old grandmother. Why would that risk enter his calculation? He doesn't know that risk even exists.

The rational goal is to try to preserve as much economic activity as we can while minimizing community spread. Part of that is that we ask everyone to take part in taking precautions and not doing things which will unfairly burden society by increasing community spread for frivolities. But instead, somewhere between 350-400K people decided that going to a motorcycle rally and not taking precautions was essential.
Or millions of people marching, protesting and also, some being violent and destructive. But that’s more than ok right?
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #536 on: August 16, 2020, 02:30:44 PM »
Aspiring dictator. Thankfully he's not there yet. :57:


OFA is the aspiring  dictator. 

go look up the definition.    Then see how silly your comment is. 
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #537 on: August 16, 2020, 02:48:36 PM »
I don't think any of the protests (Huntington Beach maskless protests of beach closures, various states' maskless protests to "liberate" from lockdowns, most of the thankfully masked protests of Floyd/BLM) were particularly smart. And the violence and looting in some of the protests is inexcusable regardless of COVID. 

But it's a false equivalence when you compare organized and sponsored events such as universities/leagues hosting sporting events [especially with fans] or cities' hosting motorcycle rallies.  

Large groups of people, whether a protest or a rally, are irresponsible as it relates to community spread. But only one is officially sanctioned, hosted, and encouraged by an entity. 

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #538 on: August 16, 2020, 03:30:17 PM »
I don't think any of the protests (Huntington Beach maskless protests of beach closures, various states' maskless protests to "liberate" from lockdowns, most of the thankfully masked protests of Floyd/BLM) were particularly smart. And the violence and looting in some of the protests is inexcusable regardless of COVID.

But it's a false equivalence when you compare organized and sponsored events such as universities/leagues hosting sporting events [especially with fans] or cities' hosting motorcycle rallies. 

Large groups of people, whether a protest or a rally, are irresponsible as it relates to community spread. But only one is officially sanctioned, hosted, and encouraged by an entity.
Sanctioned.  Now that’s funny
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #539 on: August 16, 2020, 04:20:52 PM »
But instead, somewhere between 350-400K people decided that going to a motorcycle rally and not taking precautions was essential.
Some things are not controllable by governments, like protests etc.  There is no way to suppress or discourage some large gathering of that ilk especially by folks who don't care for government in large part.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #540 on: August 16, 2020, 05:14:30 PM »
Says the guy who called POTUS a dictator
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Not sure what that has to do with it.  

Trump wants to be a dictator, though.  Obviously.  What if you addressed what I said?
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #541 on: August 16, 2020, 05:16:32 PM »
I imagine every President at times would like to be a dictator.  Of course then they couldn't try and blame "the other side" for what went wrong.


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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #542 on: August 16, 2020, 05:21:26 PM »
Some things are not controllable by governments, like protests etc.  There is no way to suppress or discourage some large gathering of that ilk especially by folks who don't care for government in large part.
SoDak governor declares martial law is in effect in Sturgis?
Of course, the SoDak governor has already demonstrated that she would do no such thing.
And if she were to do such, her political career--more important than life itself to the average pol--would be at an end.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #543 on: August 16, 2020, 05:22:51 PM »
I imagine every President at times would like to be a dictator.  Of course then they couldn't try and blame "the other side" for what went wrong.
Don't limit it to presidents.
I think there's a little dictator inside most politicians.
Their three big motivations for entering politics are money, sex, and power.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #544 on: August 16, 2020, 05:26:51 PM »
Oklahoma's Kennedy Brooks opting out

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #545 on: August 16, 2020, 05:28:00 PM »
I imagine it's true for second lieutenants too, presuming they aren't wondering around lost.

The lust for control is a human trait.

If I were in charge ....


 

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