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Topic: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness

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Mdot21

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #154 on: October 23, 2023, 11:06:01 AM »
What team have you seen that looks better?  More complete?    I haven’t seen that team yet.

as I said, in one of the ranking threads, the only team that could beat Michigan right now in my opinion is Michigan.  In other words, if they show up and play hard and play well, I would take them against anyone.

I would get Washington an outside shot and maybe Georgia.  But both would have to play super well.
I haven't seen one as complete and consistently dominant, but then again Michigan has had a very easy schedule. Having said that, they can't control who they play in B1G play and they have been significantly better in B1G play than vs their creampuff OOC pre-season schedule. They have seemed to get better week to week in-conference play and have been just crushing the life out of and beating the absolute dogpiss out of 5 B1G opponents now- 3 of which were in-conference road games- two of which were night road games- and one of which was a night road game vs their in-state rival. Road games in the B1G are never easy, especially at night. I've seen really good 2021 and 2022 Michigan teams have struggle bus moments on the road vs inferior conference opponents. This team is veteran and experienced and they don't let up- and have been absolutely pummeling conference opponents.

I think Washington, Ohio State, FSU, Oregon are right there. Not feeling as good about Texas anymore and definitely think Oklahoma might be a bit fraudy. Georgia would be the obvious answer but losing Brock Bowers really changes things for them I think. Not sure they will get out of the SEC unscathed if Bowers is done for the year. He's by far the best TE in the nation and the best player on their team and he changes life for a young QB who has been up and down. Without Bowers- Georgia could take a real step backwards. I really think he's the most important piece to the success of that offense.

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #155 on: October 23, 2023, 11:09:25 AM »
As I noted earlier in this thread, Michigan is due for a WTF game. Every MNC contender in my lifetime has one. Who is it against, Purdue or Maryland?

Washington survived theirs in the wee hours of Sunday morning against Arizona State, needing a pick-six to win.
Maryland looks like it could be a bit tricky...sandwiched right in between massive games vs Penn State and Ohio State- seems like it could be a game where Michigan could over-look Maryland a little bit and have some struggle bus moments. 

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #156 on: October 23, 2023, 11:14:42 AM »
There's realistically (understanding hiccups happen) a good 12-15 teams that would be 8-0 with UM's schedule up to this point.
Michigan is an unknown. 
Their QB is an unknown.
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UM is probably a top 3 team.
McCarthy is probably a top QB.
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But when Halloween is around the corner and the stickiest situation your teams has experienced was a locker room chewing out at halftime vs a MAC team, we don't KNOW anything about you.
All these declarative statements are bizarre.
Yeah I would buy that argument maybe if this was a young team playing a lot of new players.

It's not. And I don't. 99% of the starters on that team are already known proven commodities. It's a very experienced, deep team and most of the starters on it have been there, done that. 

To me this team can only get better. They were without by far their two best players in the secondary the first 3-4 weeks of the season in Will Johnson and Rod Moore. Those guys are getting back into game speed/shape. Corum seems like he's getting more confidence in his knee and getting better and better and back to his pre-injury self every single week. The starting 5 OL just got set 4 weeks ago with Henderson at LT and Barnhart back to RT (where he played last year) and it's getting better each week and starting to gel. I think that OL really takes an upswing coming out of the bye as they'll be able to fine tune schemes with the set 5. 

And the thing that could push that offense over the top- Donovan Edwards hasn't done jack yet. The moment that kid starts to play like his 5* HS recruit rating- like he did last year- that offense will go up another level. 

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #157 on: October 23, 2023, 11:19:45 AM »
UM and its moving parts are known commodities vs Pedestrian State and Apathetic U.  

But they're 2-2 vs top teams.  2-0 vs OSU the past 2 years, 0-1 vs TCU, and 0-1 vs UGA.
We have no idea if they're going to do anything vs OOC teams with a pulse.  No matter how good they look vs MSU or Rutgers.
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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #158 on: October 23, 2023, 11:27:10 AM »
UM and its moving parts are known commodities vs Pedestrian State and Apathetic U. 

But they're 2-2 vs top teams.  2-0 vs OSU the past 2 years, 0-1 vs TCU, and 0-1 vs UGA.
We have no idea if they're going to do anything vs OOC teams with a pulse.  No matter how good they look vs MSU or Rutgers.
Penn State wasn't a top 10 team last year? Oh that's right, they were, and Michigan pummeled them 41-17. 

Newsflash: nobody was beating Georgia in 2021, that defense was filled with MUTANTS who are now dominating in the NFL.

Michigan crapped down it's leg vs an inferior TCU team. It happens. 

Does Florida have a pulse? Because I'm pretty sure Michigan would beat them by 35 points minimum today on a neutral site.

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #159 on: October 23, 2023, 11:33:31 AM »
That was me.

An argument can be made for Penix too.

And Graham Mertz. :86:

This is for you and Nubbz, who previously asked who was having better seasons than JJ and Marv.  Because I can't resist.  

Yards per attempt:
#1 Jayden Daniels -- 11.5
#2 (T) Jalen Milroe -- 10.6   <-- did not see that coming
#2 (T) J.J. McCarthy --10.6
#4 Michael Penix -- 10.0

Passing y
ards per game:
#1 Michael Penix -- 368.0
#2 Shedeur Sanders -- 345.7
#3 Jayden Daniels -- 321.6

As you might imagine, McCarthy is way down the second list because Michigan doesn't want or need him to pass a ton.  Still, it's worth something when a guy can deliver so much when he's asked.

Total offense:
#1 Jayden Daniels -- 386.8
#2 Michael Penix -- 368.4
#3 Drake Maye -- 350.0
#4 Shedeur Sanders -- 342.4
#5 Dillon Gabriel -- 337.3

TD's responsible for:
Jayden Daniels -- 30
Caleb Williams -- 30
J.J. McCarthy -- 21
Michael Penix -- 20



Receiving yards per game:
#1 Malik Nabers -- 122.6
#7 Marvin Harrison Jr. -- 109.4

Receiving TDs:
#4 (T) Malik Nabers -- 9
#17 (T) Marvin Harrison Jr. -- 6



ftr, no, Nabers is not better than Marv.  But he is having the better season thus far. 

What's crazy about Nabers' numbers is that he's splitting catches with Brian Thomas Jr., #1 in receiving TDs and #14 in receiving yards per game.  Ohio State doesn't have anyone comparable to Marv's production.  The fact Nabers and Thomas form probably the best duo points out that Daniels is unquestionably having a better season than McCarthy thus far, and may be the better QB.  Disparate schedules make for poor speculation.  


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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #160 on: October 23, 2023, 11:33:47 AM »
Yeah I would buy that argument maybe if this was a young team playing a lot of new players.

It's not. And I don't. 99% of the starters on that team are already known proven commodities. It's a very experienced, deep team and most of the starters on it have been there, done that.

To me this team can only get better. They were without by far their two best players in the secondary the first 3-4 weeks of the season in Will Johnson and Rod Moore. Those guys are getting back into game speed/shape. Corum seems like he's getting more confidence in his knee and getting better and better and back to his pre-injury self every single week. The starting 5 OL just got set 4 weeks ago with Henderson at LT and Barnhart back to RT (where he played last year) and it's getting better each week and starting to gel. I think that OL really takes an upswing coming out of the bye as they'll be able to fine tune schemes with the set 5.

And the thing that could push that offense over the top- Donovan Edwards hasn't done jack yet. The moment that kid starts to play like his 5* HS recruit rating- like he did last year- that offense will go up another level.
Hmm some of that looks familiar from the last post on the last page ;D
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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #161 on: October 23, 2023, 11:56:15 AM »
This is for you and Nubbz, who previously asked who was having better seasons than JJ and Marv.  Because I can't resist. 
Well when did I say that? Gonna make you go sit in the corner with Fearless,I encourage the chop busting at all times/places and when ever possible but you've crossed your wires - stay away from those Cajun cocktails that you've tossed back
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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #162 on: October 23, 2023, 12:10:36 PM »
Well when did I say that? Gonna make you go sit in the corner with Fearless,I encourage the chop busting at all times/places and when ever possible but you've crossed your wires - stay away from those Cajun cocktails that you've tossed back

You didn't say anything, you asked who was having better seasons than those two guys.  Bottom of page 8 in the Penn St. @ Ohio St. thread.  

"Right now who has had better seasons than JJ or MH? But I'd like gladly hand the hardware to JJ - and the Bowl curse that goes with it"

I'm just answering your question.  

And slapping Badger across the face with a wet noodle.  


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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #163 on: October 23, 2023, 12:19:27 PM »
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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #164 on: October 23, 2023, 12:29:08 PM »
This is for you and Nubbz, who previously asked who was having better seasons than JJ and Marv.  Because I can't resist. 

Yards per attempt:
#1 Jayden Daniels -- 11.5
#2 (T) Jalen Milroe -- 10.6  <-- did not see that coming
#2 (T) J.J. McCarthy --10.6
#4 Michael Penix -- 10.0

Passing y
ards per game:
#1 Michael Penix -- 368.0
#2 Shedeur Sanders -- 345.7
#3 Jayden Daniels -- 321.6

As you might imagine, McCarthy is way down the second list because Michigan doesn't want or need him to pass a ton.  Still, it's worth something when a guy can deliver so much when he's asked.

What's crazy about Nabers' numbers is that he's splitting catches with Brian Thomas Jr., #1 in receiving TDs and #14 in receiving yards per game.  Ohio State doesn't have anyone comparable to Marv's production.  The fact Nabers and Thomas form probably the best duo points out that Daniels is unquestionably having a better season than McCarthy thus far, and may be the better QB.  Disparate schedules make for poor speculation. 
Milroe's YPA is high because that's basically all he can do- throw bombs. He is god awful on the short to intermediate- which are actually tougher throws to make than deep balls. 

McCarthy hasn't passed a ton because he hasn't touched a 4th QTR. Michigan's average margin of victory OOC was 26.7 PPG, in the B1G it's nearly 40 PPG. Dude just won't put up the huge stats because he isn't playing entire games. LSU's defense is so bad this year, Daniels has to play entire games. 

Daniels might be having a better season statistically, but anybody with a pair of eye balls can see McCarthy is the far more talented QB with far more arm talent and way more NFL upside imo. It's not even that close really to be honest. Daniels won't have much of a pro career beyond his college days imo. McCarthy keeps playing like this and fine tuning his game and continues to just play within himself and cut out the try hard gun-slinger hero ball bullshit- he'll be a 1st rd pick come April.

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #165 on: October 23, 2023, 02:13:29 PM »
Probably.  The NFL hates accurate guys with good arms who read through progressions and run like Lamar Jackson. 


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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #166 on: October 23, 2023, 04:47:20 PM »
Probably.  The NFL hates accurate guys with good arms who read through progressions and run like Lamar Jackson.
His arm is just OK and he runs nothing like Lamar Jackson lol. 

He’s basically Hendon Hooker but a tick faster, younger, and with functioning knees.

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Re: October 21 - Week 8 Stream of Conciousness
« Reply #167 on: October 23, 2023, 06:58:19 PM »
Milroe's ypa stat is like the old wishbone option QBs.....low comp %, but most of their completions were deep passes.
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