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OrangeAfroMan

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NFL Crap 2021
« on: August 29, 2021, 10:12:52 PM »
Etienne and now JK Dobbins are both out for the year.  That stinks.
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2021, 07:02:03 AM »
Bucs look like a well oiled machine.

Trevor Lawerence and Justin Fields are going to be really good. Really. Really. Good.
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2021, 04:52:04 PM »
Cam Newton cut by the Pats. Belichik named rookie 1st rd QB Mac Jones the starter. 
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 11:51:39 PM »
Cam was never smart enough to be a good NFL QB
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2021, 09:04:47 AM »
Michael Thomas out at least the first 6 weeks.
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2021, 12:36:11 PM »
May be an image of 4 people, people playing sports and text that says 'NO FORMER ALABAMA QB HAS STARTED & WON AN NFL PLAYOFF GAME SINCE RICHARD TODD DID IT WITH THE JETS IN THE 1982 PLAYOFFS WHICH OF THESE THREE HAS THE BEST CHANCE TO END THE DROUGHT? MAC JONES JALEN HURTS TUA TAGOVAILOA'
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2021, 12:42:48 PM »
Excited to see what Rondale Moore can do in Ryan Gosling offense with both Deandre Hopkins and AJ Green both on the field to take the defense's attention away... 
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2021, 10:43:18 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 31, 2021, 11:51:39 PM
Cam was never smart enough to be a good NFL QB
What? Dude was an MVP.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2021, 10:44:42 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 01, 2021, 12:42:48 PM
Excited to see what Rondale Moore can do in Ryan Gosling offense with both Deandre Hopkins and AJ Green both on the field to take the defense's attention away...
Oh he's going to be amazing in that offense playing with those guys. Dark-horse OPOY candidate. ROY will probably go to one of the rookie QB's. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2021, 09:54:29 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 01, 2021, 10:43:18 PM
What? Dude was an MVP.
I didn't get to vote
and now he might be out of the league
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2021, 06:45:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 02, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
I didn't get to vote
and now he might be out of the league
I don’t know man. I think anyway you want to slice it, he was an amazing player for a short run there. Unfortunately, his body starting breaking down and betraying him- and one of the things that made him great was his running ability. When that started to go, he just never improved enough as a passer to make up for some loss of his running ability and his physical ability to throw the football. Cam’s arm used to be maybe the strongest in the league. He just wasn’t/isn’t the same guy anymore after all the injuries. The arm strength and the running ability is really what made him great. He’s lost a lot of both of them.

Just goes to show you, being a pocket scientist, field general who has an above average arm but who throws with elite level accuracy, timing, and anticipation trumps all that other stuff. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are clear cut evidence of this. Neither one of them could run a lick and neither one had an elite arm talent in terms of strength/velocity and being able to throw pint point beautiful dimes off their back feet like Rodgers/Mahomes. Probably the two greatest QB’s ever though.
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2021, 06:58:24 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 02, 2021, 06:45:02 PM
I don’t know man. I think anyway you want to slice it, he was an amazing player for a short run there. Unfortunately, his body starting breaking down and betraying him- and one of the things that made him great was his running ability. When that started to go, he just never improved enough as a passer to make up for some loss of his running ability and his physical ability to throw the football. Cam’s arm used to be maybe the strongest in the league. He just wasn’t/isn’t the same guy anymore after all the injuries. The arm strength and the running ability is really what made him great. He’s lost a lot of both of them.

Just goes to show you, being a pocket scientist, field general who has an above average arm but who throws with elite level accuracy, timing, and anticipation trumps all that other stuff. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are clear cut evidence of this. Neither one of them could run a lick and neither one had an elite arm talent in terms of strength/velocity and being able to throw pint point beautiful dimes off their back feet like Rodgers/Mahomes. Probably the two greatest QB’s ever though.
I think that was the point. Cam never made his money based on his smarts or his arm/accuracy. He happened to have an amazing season, winning a SB, because his entire skill set was plus. But per FF, he wasn't smart enough to do it once his running ability started trending to average and he started to have injury issues due to all the running.

I notice you leave Brees off your list of Peyton/Brady. Brees had all the pocket scientist, field general qualities and threw with elite level accuracy. He had sneaky good running ability, though. He would never be described as a "running QB", but he was elusive in the pocket and very smart about when to scramble for yards. It was just one more thing defenses needed to worry about, and one more thing was enough.
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2021, 07:11:26 PM »
This Cam talk is idiocy.

When should Cam Newton have relied on his pocket scientist/field generalness (whatever the fuck THAT means)????
Should he have thrown the ball softer? 
Should he have refused to scramble for first downs? 
When?
In HS?
College?
On his way to the SB?
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Fucking idiocy. 
And so without his physical tools, he's not smart enough?  What!?  
You succeed with the tools you have.  When they're gone, you're no longer effective.  
Let's give ole Tom Terrific there an eye patch.  Let's see how great he is then.  I bet he won't be smart enough to be a good NFL QB.
Oh, I know, let's give Peyton Manning downs syndrome!!!  Yes!!  Let's take his intellect away and see how he performs!!!
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Saying Cam Newton isn't good because he's not smart enough is lazy as hell.  
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Re: NFL Crap 2021
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2021, 07:20:08 PM »
OAM,

Nobody is saying that Cam shouldn't have maximized his advantages while he had them. 

The problem is that his skill set, that relied so much on running the ball, has a shelf life. Simply put, it's hard to play that way, to absorb that many hits, and to also have a long career.

Cam got old, and couldn't continue to play the way that made him successful as his injuries went up. And he's got no plan B. 
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