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Cincydawg

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2024, 06:45:51 AM »
Imagine a league of 12 teams with perfect parity, say the object was to flip an honest coin.  You have say 16 contests in the year, and you'd end up, by chance, with teams having records ranging from about 4-12 to 12-4, obviously most would be in the 6-10 to 10-6 range.  It would be exceedingly boring (to me), perfect parity, and a statistical outcome that varied each year without regard to who was "better", as better would be impossible.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2024, 09:02:30 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on October 12, 2024, 06:07:34 PM
I mean you say that it will be NFL lite and it won’t end well but NFL is by and large the #1 sport in America with the most viewers and the most money.
Sure but that doesn't mean it's better.  Budweiser is a terrible tasting beer but it sells a lot. 

But more importantly, most fervent fans of college football have traditionally liked it BECAUSE it is unique.  BECAUSE it is not exactly like the NFL.  If you remove that, then a lot of the most die-hard college football fans will fade away. I certainly lose interest more and more each passing year, with each change to the sport.

Will those fading college football fans be replaced by NFL fans?  NFL fans who already like their sport and don't really need an addition or a substitute?  I doubt it...
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2024, 10:59:23 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 14, 2024, 06:45:51 AM
Imagine a league of 12 teams with perfect parity, say the object was to flip an honest coin.  You have say 16 contests in the year, and you'd end up, by chance, with teams having records ranging from about 4-12 to 12-4, obviously most would be in the 6-10 to 10-6 range.  It would be exceedingly boring (to me), perfect parity, and a statistical outcome that varied each year without regard to who was "better", as better would be impossible.
Yes, your absurd hypothetical is an absurd hypothetical. 

The NFL is one of the most parity-positive leagues out there. But they still have coaching. They still have a draft. They still have free agency, trades, and other roster management. And the cream rises to the top. 

The idea of parity isn't to turn everything into a coin flip. The idea is to reduce unfair advantages so everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed--and then see which teams do. The way the NFL does it is to have a draft (with picks weighted towards the worst teams), have a CBA defining rookie contracts, and then have a defined free agency system. Also to have a salary cap and defined roster size limits. 

College football has historically been all about recruiting, and now has added an immediate [unregulated] transfer portal. It's a system designed to have the haves and have-nots. You just happen to be a fan of one of the haves, so you like it this way. 
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2024, 11:44:30 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 14, 2024, 10:59:23 AM
Yes, your absurd hypothetical is an absurd hypothetical.

The NFL is one of the most parity-positive leagues out there. But they still have coaching. They still have a draft. They still have free agency, trades, and other roster management. And the cream rises to the top.

The idea of parity isn't to turn everything into a coin flip. The idea is to reduce unfair advantages so everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed--and then see which teams do. The way the NFL does it is to have a draft (with picks weighted towards the worst teams), have a CBA defining rookie contracts, and then have a defined free agency system. Also to have a salary cap and defined roster size limits.

College football has historically been all about recruiting, and now has added an immediate [unregulated] transfer portal. It's a system designed to have the haves and have-nots. You just happen to be a fan of one of the haves, so you like it this way.
What would be really awesome is if some super rich alum of a not-have college (like Purdue for example) said F it, went out and legally paid for the best players and donated enough money for the best coaches available and started really winning like we've never seen in modern times. Everything possible within the current rules, and maybe even some sketchy shit a little outside the rules that we know all the programs do, because they have to.  

I bet it wouldn't take long for the "Have's" to make some rule changes.  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2024, 11:47:11 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on October 14, 2024, 11:44:30 AM
What would be really awesome is if some super rich alum of a not-have college (like Purdue for example) said F it, went out and legally paid for the best players and donated enough money for the best coaches available and started really winning like we've never seen in modern times. Everything possible within the current rules, and maybe even some sketchy shit a little outside the rules that we know all the programs do, because they have to. 

I bet it wouldn't take long for the "Have's" to make some rule changes. 
You're effectively seeing this with Oregon-- an historical nobody team.

Now, granted, they started their rise with dirty under-the-table bag money and rampant cheating, but if NIL had been allowed two decades earlier, then the current result would be the same.

There's not really anything that the "Haves" or "Historical Bluebloods" can do about it.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2024, 11:45:44 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 14, 2024, 10:59:23 AM
Yes, your absurd hypothetical is an absurd hypothetical.

The NFL is one of the most parity-positive leagues out there. But they still have coaching. They still have a draft. They still have free agency, trades, and other roster management. And the cream rises to the top.

The idea of parity isn't to turn everything into a coin flip. The idea is to reduce unfair advantages so everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed--and then see which teams do. The way the NFL does it is to have a draft (with picks weighted towards the worst teams), have a CBA defining rookie contracts, and then have a defined free agency system. Also to have a salary cap and defined roster size limits.
If the NFL had any balls, they wouldn't let teams trade their draft picks.  Like MLB.  Take the bad decisions out of the hands of the shitty GMs and force those team's rosters get so talented that they can't help but succeed (think Cubs, Astros, and now Tigers).  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2024, 11:46:56 PM »
If Oregon didn't win it all with that team in 2014, they never will.  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2024, 11:48:30 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on October 12, 2024, 06:07:34 PM
I mean you say that it will be NFL lite and it won’t end well but NFL is by and large the #1 sport in America with the most viewers and the most money.
I'm not sure aspiring to be Pepsi is a good plan.  No one drinks it when Coke is available.  

Being the same product, but worse product on a different day is a shit plan.  
Stay different.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2024, 02:07:03 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 14, 2024, 11:45:44 PM
If the NFL had any balls, they wouldn't let teams trade their draft picks.  Like MLB.  Take the bad decisions out of the hands of the shitty GMs and force those team's rosters get so talented that they can't help but succeed (think Cubs, Astros, and now Tigers). 

Well, you cant accumulate talent the same way in the NFL, simply because of the CBA.  You cant draft guys when they are 17 or 18, stash them for a few years, and then still control them. 

Also the Astros and Cubs are the only teams that has worked for.  The White Sox failed, the Pirates failed.  Hell, the Phillies failed, aside from Nola, so they went and bought Harper, Realmuto, Castellanos, Wheeler and Schwarber.  The Blue Jays look on the cusp of failing.  The Orioles MIGHT work.  The Tigers are a poor example because they just had a couple hot months due to Plan B guys.  They had two 1-1 picks.  One was left off the postseason roster.  One was awful, and was back in the minors for most of the year.  Their big money free agent (Javy Baez) was also left off the roster.  Their best bat was a 16th round pick, and their Cy Young pitcher was a 9th round pick
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2024, 04:18:31 AM »
At some point parity gets boring
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2024, 07:13:22 AM »
We prefer Pepsi over Coke. Roughly half of the restaurants around here serve Pepsi products.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2024, 07:39:16 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 14, 2024, 11:48:30 PM
I'm not sure aspiring to be Pepsi is a good plan.  No one drinks it when Coke is available. 

Being the same product, but worse product on a different day is a shit plan. 
Stay different.

241 billion market cap for Pepsi. That’s Billion.  

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2024, 07:57:31 AM »
coke, pepsi, and other soft drinks should have a surgeon general's warning
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2024, 08:02:37 AM »
We limit ourselves to only having it when we dine out, which is twice per week max. Yesterday I had to suffer through a Diet Coke.
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