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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2024, 03:13:21 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 11, 2024, 01:21:53 PM
One reason I don't like the NFL is seeing 10-6 teams (and worse) make the playoffs.
Of course. And if the NFL were like College Football, those NFL teams would be playing 12 of their 16 (now 17) regular season games against USFL-level football teams. Of COURSE they wouldn't go 10-6. 

Parity means that you might lose a few more games than in the past. Better to just make sure you schedule enough teams you can beat so you don't bruise your fragile ego by only going 7-5 because you played real competition.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2024, 03:15:13 PM »
The other thing about being 10-6 is often, I think, you are no better than a 6-10 team, but a few games flipped your way, randomly.  You won by 3 points when you easily could have lost by 3.  

A lot of the games end up within one score, which to me means the winner is random.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2024, 03:45:08 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 11, 2024, 03:15:13 PM
The other thing about being 10-6 is often, I think, you are no better than a 6-10 team, but a few games flipped your way, randomly.  You won by 3 points when you easily could have lost by 3. 

A lot of the games end up within one score, which to me means the winner is random.
Yes, parity. That's kinda how that works.

If I look at this weekends 13 remaining NFL games, not a single one has a spread of >=10 points, per ESPN. Only 1 of the 13 has a spread greater than a TD at 9.5. So 92% have a spread within a TD. 

ESPN shows 49 college game odds on the weekend. 8 of them have a spread >20. 28 of the games, or only a little over half (57%), have a spread that's within a TD. 

Of the 17 games played involving one of the teams being ranked in the top 25, only 8 have a spread within a TD. 7 games have spreads >20. 

It's a lot easier to rack up nice W/L totals when you overmatch your opponents by so much, so often. 
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2024, 03:50:42 PM »
I turned off the NFL about 30 years ago.  I completely lost interest.  I think it's more of a betting scheme now than a sport.

It seems clear that CFB is morphing into NFL Lite, and I personally suspect that won't end well in 20 years.  It will be the NFL's Minor Leagues, with somewhat comparable interest levels with baseball's minors.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2024, 03:59:23 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 11, 2024, 03:50:42 PM
It seems clear that CFB is morphing into NFL Lite, and I personally suspect that won't end well in 20 years.  It will be the NFL's Minor Leagues, with somewhat comparable interest levels with baseball's minors.
CFB never had the allure it had because of the format, IMHO. It had the allure it had because people form a powerful emotional bond with their alma mater.

Going to an NFL Lite format won't destroy that. Other things might, like a growing apathy from students who don't attend games and then tune out after college, pricing families out of the stands, etc. But not the format.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2024, 04:09:28 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 11, 2024, 03:59:23 PM
CFB never had the allure it had because of the format, IMHO. It had the allure it had because people form a powerful emotional bond with their alma mater.
How many UGA fans are alumni?  Ten percent?  Less?
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2024, 04:51:52 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 11, 2024, 04:09:28 PM
How many UGA fans are alumni?  Ten percent?  Less?
Maybe not a ton, but how many of them had a dad or mom who was an alum? Or a sibling? Or a favorite uncle or grandpa? Or just a close friend? 

I think a lot of fandom grows from a personal connection to the school, even if it wasn't you yourself that attended. 

And then of course helmet fans get bandwagoners. And there's ND.........
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2024, 05:00:34 PM »
I think quite a bit of CFB team fan choice is a result of having a successful program nearby.  Folks are Dawg fans because they've been winning, and they live in the state.  I doubt many in Idaho are Dawg fans, Braves fans yes.  The fans who have some personal connection to the school are probably pretty limited, from what I've seen.

We have Falcons fans here of course, I guess they sell out the stadium often as not (maybe).  They are fans because they are here.  

ND is indeed a special case.

Would the "Bandwagon" fans lose interest if all this happened?  Some would.  Same as if the Dawgs started languishing and did a "Florida".
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2024, 05:01:32 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 11, 2024, 04:51:52 PM
Maybe not a ton, but how many of them had a dad or mom who was an alum? Or a sibling? Or a favorite uncle or grandpa? Or just a close friend?

I think a lot of fandom grows from a personal connection to the school, even if it wasn't you yourself that attended.

And then of course helmet fans get bandwagoners. And there's ND.........
There is also a distinction between alums and people who attended.  Plenty of people who only attended Ohio State for a few Quarters (they were on Quarters when I was there) are as big of fans as people like me who graduated.  

I agree with you, lots of people are fans because of second-level connections.  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2024, 05:03:51 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 11, 2024, 05:01:32 PM
There is also a distinction between alums and people who attended.  Plenty of people who only attended Ohio State for a few Quarters (they were on Quarters when I was there) are as big of fans as people like me who graduated. 
Of course... And many of those who didn't graduate maybe did so because they were more interested in Buckeye football and Buckeye coeds and Buckeye keg parties than they were in Buckeye classrooms :57:
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2024, 05:07:27 PM »
Interestingly, perhaps, I always thought of Cincinnati as a pro sports town, there is an obvious reason of course.  But the difference was quite profound relative to here.  I see folks with UGA gear frequently (and Tech too, but I'm a couple miles from campus).  I only see Falcons gear on Sunday, and then rarely.

Atlanta only attracted pro teams in the 1960s.  The tradition here is more college oriented, and it's not close.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2024, 05:09:29 PM »
Getting to Know UGA (fan base and beyond) | mgoblog

Posted by a Michigan fan back when.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2024, 05:37:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 11, 2024, 05:07:27 PM
Atlanta only attracted pro teams in the 1960s.  The tradition here is more college oriented, and it's not close.
I do think this is a trend there in the Southeast. AL, MS, AR, SC, KY all don't have NFL teams, as well as new SEC state OK. NC (not SEC) and TN not until the mid-late 90's. I think it has led to a heavier emphasis on college football than in much of the rest of the country. 
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2024, 06:06:25 PM »
Yes.

All throughout rural GA, you see UGA stuff in the yards and on vehicles.  Almost none of them went to UGA.  But the Dawgs were THE representative for that area for decades before any pro teams showed up.  The Braves are an institution, but the Falcons (as Cincy said) are not.  But the Braves were on TV every day on most every television.  And they had sustained success.  

Same with the state of FL.  The Dolphins were big for a time, but not so much since Marino retired.  The Bucs and Jags are 'meh' in the state consciousness.  FSU stuff?  Plenty.  Gators stuff?  All over.  You'll even see like 3 Canes stickers if you tour the entire state.

People don't realize that all the red areas on political maps are largely college fans, as pro sports tend to belong to and are contained within the big cities (GB notwithstanding).  
Good ole state U.

I probably struggle with realizing the appeal of the NFL because of this.  I grew up pretending I was Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith (OK State and UF versions) on the playground.  It was super cool to live in Jax as the team was formed, but I wasn't dying to go to Jags games.  
Hence 90,000+ every Saturday in smaller college towns > 65,000 in big cities on Sundays
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