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Topic: New Real? Realignment News

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OrangeAfroMan

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New Real? Realignment News
« on: October 10, 2024, 12:39:14 AM »
Just what we all needed.

Ahead of the SEC, B1G meetings, there's a "Project Rudy" being discussed online (people are saying...).  It's 70 teams (all the P4 programs + ND + ORST + Wazzou), no G5 or FCS scheduling (uh oh for them), and expanded playoffs (going to 16, I'm sure).
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Also, conferences wouldn't have individual TV deals, but all of college football would.  
All 12 games would be vs teams of the other 69 schools.
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What do you guys think?
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2024, 12:43:20 AM »
What do you guys think?
Rose: PAC 10 versus Big TEN
Orange: Big 8 vs. At large
Sugar: SEC vs. At large
Cotton: SWC vs. At large
Fiesta: At large vs. at large
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2024, 12:50:44 AM »
Well right off the bat, it brings the Pac-2 back into the fold.  Plus the programs that sort of got in under the buzzer, like UCF, SMU, Houston, and BYU.  
They'd be the in-crowd, and basically parallel programs like South Florida, Tulane, etc are OUT.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2024, 01:09:01 AM »
So the 70 teams would be a super league...meaning who-is-in-what-conference technically wouldn't matter.  That being said, I think the big-boy conferences would simply want their original 10 members.  7 x 10, basically.  
It works out pretty well for 6 groups:
Original (1970s-2000s) PAC-10
Original SEC
Original Big Ten
SWC light, plus OU/OKST (Texas schools + OK schools + Ark)
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After those, you're left with a smattering of schools across the west and plains, plus a bunch of eastern/southeastern schools.
Instead of picking and choosing and making a mess of things in the east, just draw a Mason-Dixon line along the VA/NC border.
There's 10 unaffiliated schools below it (FSU, GT, UCF, Miami, USCe, Clemson, WF, UNC, Duke, NCST) and there's 10 above it (WV, VT, UVa, UMd, Pitt, PSU, RU, BC, Syr + ND instead of Cinci).  We finally get our Eastern conference and a southernesque ACC.
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That leaves "the others."  10 schools that aren't naturally in the previous groups.
Utah, BYU....CU....KU, KSU.....UNL...ISU...Mizzou.....Louisville....Cinc innati
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I don't think this works without having a group like this, as there's just not as many programs out west as there are in the east.  It's odd having a program like Nebraska in 'the others,' but I'm not sure what else would feasibly occur.  Maybe you take the OK schools out of the SWC and throw the Utah schools into it.  At least then "the others" would look like an evolved Big 8.  Idk.  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2024, 05:10:31 AM »
A lot of people are talking that really don't have the power to change anything.

In the end,  the Big Ten and the SEC have the power and I dont see them giving it back to the other conferences they just separated themselves from.

From this point forward,  it's the P2, M2, Notre Dame and the G6.  And there is not much room left in the P2 for expansion.  Possibly Flor St, UNC,  and a couple more. 

Probably about 10 to 20 years from now the Big Boys in the Big Ten SEC,  ACC,  and Notre Dame will decide to leave their conferences and form a new Power-1 conference with about 16-24 schools total.  All the dead weight bottom feeders will be left behind in the old Big Ten which will probably include my school,  iowa, which probably won't make the cut.   

This has been the trend from the very beginning.  Iowa once was in a conference that included Grinell College.   There is a reason the Big Ten formed in the first place.  The Big Universities in the Midwest wanted to separate themselves and compete with other schools at the same "level'.  At one time that "level" meant academics and state flagship status,  and it sorta still does.  Now it also includes football  revenue, and population growth .  

Anyway,  after they went to all this trouble to sort out the Wash St and Ore St from everybody else, they aren't going back.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2024, 08:07:45 AM »
In the end,  the Big Ten and the SEC have the power and I dont see them giving it back to the other conferences they just separated themselves from.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2024, 08:55:26 AM »
I think if this had been pitched a decade ago, rather than the slow trickle we've had with no eye for the future, yes.

But like others have said, why would the Big Ten and SEC relinquish any power?

Would it be better for the long term health of the sport?  Probably.  But what about any of this hasn't been short sighted?

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2024, 08:58:27 AM »
My thought is this is somewhat akin to various message board propossals, not some entity with real influence.  I might be wrong.

Money talks.

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2024, 09:03:57 AM »
Maryland is more likely to be kicked out than Oregon St invited back in
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2024, 09:22:55 AM »
My thought is this is somewhat akin to various message board propossals, not some entity with real influence.  I might be wrong.

Money talks.
Private capital investment of $9 billion.  ADs commenting on the proposal.  SEC and B1G heads having seen the proposal.

This shows that having those 'other' programs as fodder and keeping elite programs having elite W-L records does matter to them.  At least they're not stupid.

Also included are tiers, based on performance, and given different monies.  As long as we don't have teams with 8-4 records winning the NC all the time, we're good.
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2024, 09:25:48 AM »
as long as the power brokers in the B1G & SEC make more money than today and not less, they'll listen
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2024, 09:28:02 AM »
Sure.  Money is the reason this thing has legs.  Jack Swarbrick (former ND AD) is with this proposal group.  
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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2024, 09:36:01 AM »
I could go for that.  

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Re: New Real? Realignment News
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2024, 09:42:12 AM »
I'm for anything that has the same teams playing each other annually
the above with 10-team conferences and 9-team schedules is perfect

even better that it's regional
I think it's what's best for the sport

so, it probably won't happen
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