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Topic: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game

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jgvol

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #140 on: August 30, 2022, 11:08:11 AM »
I don't know historically if Nebraska or Tennessee has recruited more from California, but the relevant point is where either can recruit more readily today which tends to mean contiguous or nearly so states by and large even for national programs.

The top programs over the past five years or so reside in fertile recruiting grounds (ND certainly has national draw still).



Yeah, it's a big mystery.


https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/recruiting/breaking-vols-land-elite-california-signal-caller-iamaleava 

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #141 on: August 30, 2022, 11:17:07 AM »
it's not a recruiting or talent issue with the Huskers when wondering if they can be a top program in the Big Ten West

can Nerbaska ever get back to a national top 5 power such as the 90's?  Probably not.  Would take  a coach and a few other factors as it did in the 90s.

the Vols might have a better shot at a top 5 season or two, but it's improbable for most programs
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #142 on: August 30, 2022, 11:21:11 AM »
The top programs largely draw from nearby states, and their own, and it's a large advantage.  A few can pull in a couple recruits from places like California every so often, but it's still rare.    Why is Ohio State so consistently good to great?  Large state, one major program.


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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #143 on: August 30, 2022, 11:29:21 AM »
Ohio St recruits nationally

as does Bama

not for the bulk of the roster, but to pluck the top 4 and 5 stars
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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #144 on: August 30, 2022, 11:31:47 AM »
The 10 states with the most players in the updated Top247 rankings (247sports.com)

The top 4 are Florida, Texas, Georgia, California.  The Vols can hit two of those, Nebraska nearly zero.

Five and six are Alabama and Louisiana.
It looks like that list is based on current year recruits. I prefer this list of the HS location of active NFL players.  It is a bit dated but I couldn't quickly find an update and I don't think it changes that much anyway. The top-10:
  • 194 Florida
  • 192 Texas
  • 170 California
  • 134 Georgia
  • 71 Ohio
  • 60 Alabama
  • 60 Pennsylvania
  • 59 Louisiana
  • 59 North Carolina
  • 57 New Jersey

If you look at the teams that were undisputed helmets 25 years ago but have been generally down lately the three that come to mind are Michigan, Tennessee, and Nebraska. I think it is NOT coincidental that all three have relatively weak in-state talent.


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« Reply #145 on: August 30, 2022, 11:43:39 AM »
lots of kids on that list playing in the NFL that weren't top recruits or even attended P5 programs

it's a great list, but doesn't represent recruiting ability
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« Reply #146 on: August 30, 2022, 11:54:41 AM »
Here's a fun list but in map infographic form.



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« Reply #147 on: August 30, 2022, 12:01:52 PM »
It looks like that list is based on current year recruits. I prefer this list of the HS location of active NFL players.  It is a bit dated but I couldn't quickly find an update and I don't think it changes that much anyway. The top-10:
  • 194 Florida
  • 192 Texas
  • 170 California
  • 134 Georgia
  • 71 Ohio
  • 60 Alabama
  • 60 Pennsylvania
  • 59 Louisiana
  • 59 North Carolina
  • 57 New Jersey

If you look at the teams that were undisputed helmets 25 years ago but have been generally down lately the three that come to mind are Michigan, Tennessee, and Nebraska. I think it is NOT coincidental that all three have relatively weak in-state talent.



This is true.  Tennessee used to make it's money recruiting Georgia, the Carolina's, and Virginia, along with plucking some high rated guys nationally.

Tennessee's fall coincides with the rise of Clemson, USCe under Spurrier, and Georgia finally hiring competent coaches, starting with Mark Richt.

It's a fairly easy picture to paint.

Tennessee, for a long while, had the highest recruiting budget in the country to offset the lack on in state talent, not sure if it remains that way today.  Fortunately, with Nashville's growth, the in state talent is getting better every year, but obviously still not on par with the big boy producers, and likely never will be.

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #148 on: August 30, 2022, 12:10:41 PM »
true, the Vols should find it easier to rake better talent than Nebraska, but they play in the SEC, not the Big Ten West
the Vols play in the SEC East, which up until Kirby got Georgia going past few years- wasn't that far off from the Big Ten West.....

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #149 on: August 30, 2022, 12:10:45 PM »
one fo the biggest differences for the Huskers from the good old daze is that regional programs in the Midwest are doing better and getting more recruits that were easy picks for the Huskers.

The Hawkeyes, Cyclones, Gophers, ND Bison, K-state Wildcats, Mizzou and even Kansas have been able to recruit better on the average than back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's

even taking some recruits out of the state of Nebraska
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« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2022, 12:16:56 PM »
Tennessee's fall coincides with the rise of Clemson, USCe under Spurrier, and Georgia finally hiring competent coaches, starting with Mark Richt.
I've noticed this too. When the Vols were recruiting the guys who won the 1998 NC and generally had the UT program at an elite level for roughly the 1990's they had less competition. 

It would be a lot easier to recruit at Tennessee if Clemson, USCe, UGA, and maybe a few other neighbors such as Bama, Auburn, and LSU either sucked or at least weren't quite as good as they are currently. 

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #151 on: August 30, 2022, 12:22:19 PM »
one fo the biggest differences for the Huskers from the good old daze is that regional programs in the Midwest are doing better and getting more recruits that were easy picks for the Huskers.

The Hawkeyes, Cyclones, Gophers, ND Bison, K-state Wildcats, Mizzou and even Kansas have been able to recruit better on the average than back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's

even taking some recruits out of the state of Nebraska
I think the underlying reason for this is the common factor that has made things tricky for all three of the schools I listed above (UNL, UTK, and M). That factor is the proliferation of televised games.

My impression is that in the earlier period teams like the Cornhuskers, Volunteers, and Wolverines were on TV a lot more than schools like Iowa, Minnesota  North Dakota, Kansas, etc. Thus, I think that back then a kid from say Missouri might be a recruiting battle between three Helmets (UNL, UTK, M), but now maybe he stays home and goes to Mizzou.

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #152 on: August 30, 2022, 12:28:11 PM »
For Nebraska, I think part of it is ......the bags of cash are lighter, and the roids program isn't as prevalent.

They had the most intimidating teams for my money.  Downright scary.  A freaking machine.

I still believe the '95 Huskers were the most dominant team I've ever seen.

And perhaps, a little nostalgia on my part, but I miss them being good.  Can we trade out Oklahoma for Nebraska?

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Re: Nebraska (0-1, 0-1) vs. Northwestern (1-0, 1-0) Post Game
« Reply #153 on: August 30, 2022, 12:36:04 PM »
who can forget the absolute beat down Nebraska threw on an undefeated UF Spurrier team.....maybe the worst beat down Spurrier ever took.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-UNP-2YswY

 

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