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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #154 on: February 07, 2024, 11:52:27 AM »
This makes me throw up in my mouth.
Maybe, but honestly, the blue bloods today play 9 games a season against teams that shouldn't legitimately challenge their 2nd string squad. For Michigan this year, it was 11, including the conference championship. Only games against opponents that could legitimately challenge them were PSU, OSU, and the CFP. 

You get more excited when Alabama or Georgia goes 11-1 with 9+ of their opponents being patsies, than if they went 8-4 against a schedule of 12 teams that are equals on paper? I'd argue the latter is more impressive. 

The SEC has held firm on the 8-game conference schedule and the late-season FCS tune-up NOT to provide better entertainment for the fans, but to make sure they schedule as few losses as possible for the helmet teams. 

Maybe these teams need to stop filling up on cupcakes. It's gonna go straight to the hips. 

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #155 on: February 07, 2024, 12:17:32 PM »
It's not that simple.

Being an engineering major at Auburn is not like being an engineering major at Florida.
Jeez. Not sure if you’re digging at Auburn or Florida. Haven’t met many Auburn alums of any major in my line of work. Is Auburn considered poor academically ?  I haven’t heard that. 

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #156 on: February 07, 2024, 12:54:53 PM »
Florida is an elite public school, in the class of UT and aTm.
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #157 on: February 07, 2024, 06:47:49 PM »
Maybe, but honestly, the blue bloods today play 9 games a season against teams that shouldn't legitimately challenge their 2nd string squad. For Michigan this year, it was 11, including the conference championship. Only games against opponents that could legitimately challenge them were PSU, OSU, and the CFP.  This is the sign of a shit conference.

You get more excited when Alabama or Georgia goes 11-1 with 9+ of their opponents being patsies, ehhhh, 9 years out of 10, this isn't possible than if they went 8-4 against a schedule of 12 teams that are equals on paper? I'd argue the latter is more impressive.  

The SEC has held firm on the 8-game conference schedule and the late-season FCS tune-up NOT to provide better entertainment for the fans, but to make sure they schedule as few losses as possible for the helmet teams.  If an 8-game conf schedule yields a top 20 SOS, why pile on?

Maybe these teams need to stop filling up on cupcakes. It's gonna go straight to the hips.
2023 UM's schedule shouldn't be a model for anyone, but there's a TON of gray area between it and making a playoff with 5 losses (even to strong teams).  
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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #158 on: February 07, 2024, 07:19:22 PM »
2023 UM's schedule shouldn't be a model for anyone, but there's a TON of gray area between it and making a playoff with 5 losses (even to strong teams). 
All I'm saying is that you don't need to pad your win column with teams like Vanderbilt and Purdue, much less the current G5 or FCS teams. Restrict it to the top say 24 or 28 teams in CFB for your big-boy league, and don't play anyone outside that group. All do you by playing outside the top 28 is to dilute your revenue share. 

That'll mean more losses, yes, even for teams who get into the playoff. 

I'm sure that'll lead to lots of tears...



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Re: NCAA
« Reply #159 on: February 07, 2024, 08:03:55 PM »
Let's just have the 13 best teams and hope they all go 6-6.
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #160 on: February 07, 2024, 09:17:27 PM »
Let's just have the 13 best teams and hope they all go 6-6.
Might as well. They're the only 13 teams you think should ever be allowed into the inner circle to be anointed as national champions anyway. 

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« Reply #161 on: February 07, 2024, 10:12:50 PM »
Might as well. They're the only 13 teams you think should ever be allowed into the inner circle to be anointed as national champions anyway.
How's that?
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2024, 10:17:01 PM »
well, ya sure don't want Liberty Biberty in there
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« Reply #163 on: February 07, 2024, 10:17:13 PM »
I'm advocating for a full bell curve of programs.  This will provide more data.  Yes, the have-nots have a place.  They tend to be fodder, but sometimes upset someone and yank them out of the hunt.  Ask OSU.  

Limiting it to just one end of the curve will break the sport.  
The haves of college football possess the lion's share of the wins, championships, etc, sure, but they also have the majority of the fans (eyeballs, clicks).  
You're proposing we saddle half of them with losses they're not accustomed to.  Guess what many will do?
Their eyeballs will close and their pointer fingers cease to click.
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Go ahead, kill the sport.  It's already on it's way.
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #164 on: February 07, 2024, 10:20:00 PM »
well, ya sure don't want Liberty Biberty in there
I was wrong.  Let's give the team with the worst SOS in the country a seat at the table.  
If Liberty was that good, their AD should be fired.  

Oregon sends its regards.
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #165 on: February 08, 2024, 12:33:47 PM »
How's that?
You believe in the eye test, particularly yours, for which teams are "worthy" of the CFP. 

Outside of a dozen or maybe a little more programs in the country, none will pass your "eye test" even if they're undefeated. It comes up every time a team you deem unworthy is selected over a team that you deem worthy. 

And it typically correlates with what you think their respective talent level is, which is based on their recruiting, which is based on how shiny the helmet is. Any team that isn't a helmet shouldn't be in, right?

You're proposing we saddle half of them with losses they're not accustomed to.  Guess what many will do?
Their eyeballs will close and their pointer fingers cease to click.
So you need Purdue and Vandy around so those poor snowflake helmet team fans don't have their egos bruised? 

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #166 on: February 08, 2024, 07:01:17 PM »
Ed Zachary 
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #167 on: February 08, 2024, 10:06:17 PM »
You believe in the eye test, particularly yours, for which teams are "worthy" of the CFP.

Outside of a dozen or maybe a little more programs in the country, none will pass your "eye test" even if they're undefeated. It comes up every time a team you deem unworthy is selected over a team that you deem worthy.
This is a poor description of my thoughts.  A few of you seem to think I'd vouch for someone like a 8-4 USC team with top 10 recruiting classes over a 11-1 Iowa team without much talent.  I have no earthly clue why anyone thinks that.
Somehow, my opinion that blindly ranking teams by number of losses without taking into account any context as a bad practice has been bastardized into "then why even bother playing the games?" 
And again, this baffles me.  It'd be great if someone could provide some evidence of why I somehow became Captain Eye Test.


And it typically correlates with what you think their respective talent level is, which is based on their recruiting, which is based on how shiny the helmet is. Any team that isn't a helmet shouldn't be in, right?  Yeah, I'm not following here.  I'll likely side with Team A with the very difficult schedule and perhaps 1-2 more losses over the ?lesser helmet? Team B with a pretty record vs the Deaf & Blind scheduling house.
So you need Purdue and Vandy around so those poor snowflake helmet team fans don't have their egos bruised?  Here, you're just slanting the idea into insult for some reason.  The short answer is "yes," but I also stated WHY, which you've chosen to ignore. 
You're better than that.

I'm honestly mystified.
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