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MikeDeTiger

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2024, 03:02:31 PM »
Yeah, I get that too.  You could look at differences in academic standards and admissions and say some discrepancy is accounted for there.  But not nearly enough, I'd wager.  You could look at two schools like LSU and Florida and say due to admission requirements and school policies, it's easier for a kid to get into--and stay in--LSU than it is Florida.  Unfortunately I don't think there's difference in practice.  You can hear Gator players interviewed where they sound every bit as unqualified to be there as anybody LSU has.  I'm not picking on those schools, just using them for examples.  I haven't seen the report you're referring to, but I don't doubt it.

While that's been a gradual decline in "student-athletes," I think it still belongs in a separate bin than the NIL stuff.  Even if these guys aren't qualified to be at the university, they were still sold on the program and something inside them made them want to represent the university in athletics, even if they don't meet its academic standards.  I can't help but think NIL will ultimately erode that as well.  I guess what I'm saying is I see a difference between a dumb, loyal player with school spirit, and a dumb, take-me-to-the-highest-bidder player. 

Granted, not everyone who leaves is disloyal or lacks school spirit.  There have always been transfers for various reasons, as you pointed out with Burrow being an example.  From what's filtered through the grapevine, we're told that Burrow never stopped being a Buckeye on the inside, and I don't mean that to question his love or loyalty to LSU, only that he didn't sour on his original school, he just saw an opportunity and made a choice, but deep inside he may have preferred that he could've taken that same journey in the scarlet and grey.  But transfers like that, or any from the previous era, were much more rare than what we're getting now, and the difference in motive in clear.  

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2024, 03:25:30 PM »
Nothing new to add except to say there are some great observations in this thread and I- like all of you- dont  like it at all and have a rapidly waning interest in CFB.    
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2024, 05:10:33 PM »
This realization forced me to accept that when I cheer Ohio State beating Michigan or lament Michigan beating Ohio State I'm not actually cheering for Ohio State students to beat Michigan students.  In reality I'm cheering for Ohio State's ringers to beat Michigan's ringers and in an average football game there probably aren't more than one or two starters (out of 44, both sides of the ball, both teams) who are legitimately smart enough to get into either school. 
That's kind of it in a nutshell,no recruiting,delevopment,progam ties,waiting your turn to crack the lineup or even feigning GPAs
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2024, 06:44:13 PM »
hah, the joy of rooting for an academic average program like UNL.....

more than half of the football roster could pass admissions!
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2024, 07:00:28 PM »
Leaving for NFL HC jobs is a no brainer, now guys are leaving NCAA HC jobs to be NFL coordinators.  Rumors Chip Kelly is going to do the same


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Re: NCAA
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2024, 07:02:38 PM »
coaches are sick of the NCAA
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2024, 07:08:35 PM »
coaches are sick of the NCAA
yup. sick of NCAA. sick of NIL. sick of recruiting. sick of portal. sick of re-recruiting roster to keep them there. sick of fundraising and speaking engagements. sick of it all. don't blame them. 

I'd take being an NFL OC/DC over a college HC all day long.

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2024, 09:26:34 PM »
The fix seems easy.  Make NIL pay to play.  Who cares?  But put the one year sit out rule back in for transfers.  No waivers.  That isn't a restriction on movement.  It's a restriction on eligibility, just like telling kids they have 4 years.  But then also allow unlimited redshirts.for transfers.  If you want to take 7 years to play at 4 different schools, God bless. You are not restricting movement or earnings.  You are just restricting eligibility, which they always will

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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2024, 10:16:32 PM »
yup, the courts have decided you can't restrict $$$ to the poor kids

someday they might decide you can not restrict eligibility
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2024, 11:23:09 PM »
The NCAA actually lost by not letting the players unionize.  They should reconsider that, and draw something up that makes sense.  Granted now the players may not agree.  I'd say they are forgetting it's the fans that pay for this, but ESPN gets ratings for high school mega teams playing each other, so I think the bulk of the viewership is just wanting football, and doesn't care how the sausage is made

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2024, 06:59:53 AM »
Leaving for NFL HC jobs is a no brainer, now guys are leaving NCAA HC jobs to be NFL coordinators.  Rumors Chip Kelly is going to do the same
Chip hated recruiting before all of this bullshit came.
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Re: NCAA
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2024, 08:48:43 AM »

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Re: NCAA
« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2024, 08:54:21 AM »
Eff it All - just give this ass ache to the douche Goodell, CFB sold it's soul already. Let the bunco bastards in the NFL sort it out. The amatuers are making a perfect mess of it. Just like the League will eventually do
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