header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)

 (Read 1678 times)

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2026, 05:33:13 PM »
Why might one consider the NFL careers in judging COLLEGE athletes?

Well, one obvious reason is the college playing field is not level, or at least, a lot less level than the NFL.  A QB might put up ridiculous stats at say Hawaii because of "System" and then do zip in the League.  Others might have played in a run oriented offense in college and then later shined.

Is that fair?  Who cares?  When the criteria are laid out to list one's OPINIONS about whatever, one is thus free to use whatever metrics one wishes.  Otherwise, one can just list quantifiables, the QBs with the most passing yards career and be done with it.
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass.  

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2026, 05:52:25 PM »
Edge rusher is almost a seperate catagory from DE.


Edit if you are including LBs then I'd move out Beasely and include Terrell Suggs in the final 4
The term EDGE is a recent one that includes both rush ends and outside LBs who tend to rush the QB.  Sure, a strong-side DE is going to be tasked with holding up strong against the run, dealing with a tackle and often a TE to hold the edge.  But the backside DE is usually an ears-pinned-back rusher getting around the tackle, most often on the QB's blind side.

Here, let me make a visual really quickly:


Edges are the guys tasked with pressuring the QB (in red).
Your strong-side end in the 4-3 is your 270 lb guy who can man up against that run blocking.  Your back-side end is your 245 lb guy coming like a bat out of hell, chasing down the QB.
In the 3-4, your ends are 280 lb and more like a 4-3 DT, all 3 linemen holding up against the run, since there's only 3 of them.  They're freeing up the LBs to either make tackles or, like the outside LBs, get to the QB.  

I made the Will (weakside LB) in the 4-3 purple, because unless they're getting a slot WR to cover inside the hashmarks, they're often freed up to rush the passer and tend to get a lot of sacks, almost by chance.  If that DT in front of him is good, there's just a red carpet rolled out there, splitting the G and T for him to get up through there.  
And I could have made the strong-side DE purple in the 4-3, if the offense isn't using a TE much or the TE is a real pass-catching threat and not much of a blocker.

In football video games, they'll label a recruit or draftee either balanced, run-stuffer, or pass-rusher, based on his size and skill set.  EDGE is the pass-rusher.  



“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 89408
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2026, 05:58:05 PM »
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass. 

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
Name calling here should be avoided.  

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2026, 05:59:12 PM »
Name calling here should be avoided. 
Being a clown should be avoided as well.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

bayareabadger

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 10282
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2026, 06:12:43 PM »
Okay, I guess since I've continued my education and teach reading, I can retroactively win my 3rd-grade spelling bee, because if we did it now, I'd kick everyone else's ass. 

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
Lord, you can be pointlessly unpleasant.

I’m another note, I didn’t watch Javon Kearse as a college player, but remember him popping in the NFL and being game changing. And when I looked back, it seemed like people had a similar vibe in college, but you probably watched him more closely than I did. Was that the case?

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 89408
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2026, 06:14:31 PM »
He can’t argue a point so he resorts to childish name calling.  It’s predictable. 

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2026, 12:12:51 AM »
He can’t argue a point so he resorts to childish name calling.  It’s predictable.
You're the one unable to separate 2 very separate things, friend.  That's on you.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2026, 12:17:21 AM »
Lord, you can be pointlessly unpleasant.

I’m another note, I didn’t watch Javon Kearse as a college player, but remember him popping in the NFL and being game changing. And when I looked back, it seemed like people had a similar vibe in college, but you probably watched him more closely than I did. Was that the case?
Kearse was on obvious physical specimen, but he never popped in a traditional stat.  He never had 10 sacks in a season at Florida, but he'd lead the team in "big plays" - a team-kept stat.  He'd just make up ground like nobody's business.  He'd chase a fast QB all the way across the field, and the guy would throw it away or run out of bounds for a yard, but Kearse was the reason he left the pocket.  Or he'd track down a RB 12 yards down the field.
He was a unique guy because he played safety in HS, LB in college, and DE in the NFL.  Not a lot of guys that could do that, lol.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 23069
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2026, 08:45:01 AM »

You're a clown.  And sometimes, it's not even on purpose.
Name calling here should be avoided. 
Lord, you can be pointlessly unpleasant.
Careful guys he was in Pre-Law
We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 23069
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2026, 08:57:46 AM »
The term EDGE is a recent one that includes both rush ends...................
Did you really need to post this farce of a comedy just to appear sage like? I didn't ask a question sherlock therefore didn't need a lame attempt at dissertation to sooth your feelings of inadaquacy. And I wasn't wasting anymore of Drew's bandwidth to post the whole worthless thing
We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2026, 01:12:15 PM »


Edit if you are including LBs then I'd move out Beasely and include Terrell Suggs in the final 4
Whoa there, Dunning-Kruger, with individual statements like this having 2 errors, yeah, my teacher mode kicked in.  How dare I.  

Of course you include LBs as edge rushers, because they rush the QB in most/many/all defenses.
And Terrell Suggs played DE at ASU, not LB.  

You don't get to be bitchy AND wrong, sorry.  Pick a lane, friend.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

bayareabadger

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 10282
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2026, 01:38:01 PM »
Kearse was on obvious physical specimen, but he never popped in a traditional stat.  He never had 10 sacks in a season at Florida, but he'd lead the team in "big plays" - a team-kept stat.  He'd just make up ground like nobody's business.  He'd chase a fast QB all the way across the field, and the guy would throw it away or run out of bounds for a yard, but Kearse was the reason he left the pocket.  Or he'd track down a RB 12 yards down the field.
He was a unique guy because he played safety in HS, LB in college, and DE in the NFL.  Not a lot of guys that could do that, lol.
Gotcha, like one of those players where you rewatch film and sort of marvel. Enjoy a guy like that. 

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 23069
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2026, 09:00:20 PM »
Whoa there, Dunning-Kruger, with individual statements like this having 2 errors, yeah, my teacher mode kicked in.  How dare I. 

Of course you include LBs as edge rushers, because they rush the QB in most/many/all defenses.
And Terrell Suggs played DE at ASU, not LB. 

You don't get to be bitchy AND wrong, sorry.  Pick a lane, friend.
Lecture the 8 yr olds they look up to you. Let me know when you pull out of the Fire Lane
We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public.

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 24005
  • Liked:
Re: Mt Rushmore - Edge (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2026, 10:19:19 PM »
Lecture the 8 yr olds they look up to you. Let me know when you pull out of the Fire Lane
It's okay to be wrong.  But clutching your pearls about it seems odd.  Just breathe.  

“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.