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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2023, 03:21:37 PM »
Clancy made a clear point that he fogged over some stuff realistically so as not to blow any secrets, but he also said everything was readily available to anyone who really looked, especially how to make a nuclear weapon.  He also was furious with the movie makers changing stuff for no reason which is why only three were made.

And they did, the movies really strayed without reason in a number of areas and got rather goofy.

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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2023, 03:29:55 PM »
"I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state. Do they let you do that?"
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« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2023, 03:35:29 PM »
Quote from James Cameron:
"We understand from inside the community that they had dropped their ascent weights and they were coming up, trying to manage an emergency," he said.

So apparently they knew there was trouble. 

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« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2023, 03:37:47 PM »


For @betarhoalphadelta , @OrangeAfroMan and everyone else questioning our interest in Titanic:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-titanic-keeps-drawing-us-in-f75bf9fa?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_170&cx_artPos=6&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-titanic-keeps-drawing-us-in-f75bf9fa?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_170&cx_artPos=6&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s

Paywall.

I'm sure the article talks about humanity's obsession with exploration and blah blah blah, but I still don't get it.  5 people died.  They were doing something very dangerous and died.  Duh?  

5 veterans probably offed themselves today.  Hippos probably killed 5 people in Africa this week.  
Is it the cost?  An expensive death is more noteworthy?  
So odd.
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Now everyone is an expert on polymers and titanium and secret navy radar and all that nonsense.  It's silly.
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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2023, 03:39:34 PM »

Now everyone is an expert on polymers and titanium and secret navy radar and all that nonsense.  It's silly.
Some here actually are. I took some materials and metallurgy courses in college, but I'm not an expert. It is interesting though.
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« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2023, 03:42:04 PM »
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Now everyone is an expert on polymers and titanium and secret navy radar and all that nonsense.  It's silly.
SONAR, that isn't the same as RADAR.  The media hype drama, and this afforded them drama.  It's akin to when some reasonably good looking usually blonde female goes missing in Aruba, it's drama, people lap it up on otherwise slow news days.  

I wish we had some mechanism for ignoring such news stories personally, you know, like ignoring them.


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« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2023, 03:56:14 PM »
News as entertainment. 
Got it.
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« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2023, 03:59:43 PM »
That hopefully is not new learning.  The "news media" with few exceptions are "for profit", which is a way of saying "they need ratings", which is a way of saying "they have to entertain".  This is why I lean to the various business news channels, their "clients" are much less likely to tolerate pure entertainment.

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« Reply #78 on: June 23, 2023, 05:13:30 PM »
clancy despised marines... so, he could have been only 'so' smart... and, that betrays his connections- as in the realms he tapped into there is a very healthy competition that extends well beyond rivalry.   the thing is, when the spooks recruit for their black ops teams, they usually go no further than the Marine Corps and their specialized units... when the action requires more than a few well equipped men to do it, they'll call in the Army's Compartmental Elements (ACE, the former Delta Force), and if they can't do it they'll bring in the Squeals of the old 'team six' now called DEVGRU (special developmental warfare unit), the only 'counter terrorist' group the seals own (the rest are anti-terrorist).  if that won't do it, they'll tap a Marine MUESOC to do it..... each level lower getting larger and with more opportunity to be compromised.  

it was a hot topic with some folks i used to work with.  

the group Clancy was closer to was high enough to know things happening but not in the groups doing those things.  and that group has a healthy dislike of Marines, and something Clancy adopted.  

it's amazing how knowing just a few factors can give away a position.... else, Clany's contacts WERE Marines and he played that game as a diversion.  ....could have been.  who knows... 

now insofar as anything Secret- there really is no such thing... everything leaves a trail.  the trail that's hardest to cover is the logistics... diversions are used liberally.  it's something i've always found funny/strange.  for instance, my team was tasked with guarding a nuclear submarine in Mare Island Naval Shipyard... which we did... easy job and close enough to Valejo and wine country to get some weekends up there... then, they were loaded on trucks and shipped across the country... freakin common carrier i shit you not... taco bell/pepsi trucks to be precise... they had a lead and a follow with a team of naval personnel and DOE guys running interference at weigh stations- pulling in and flashing credentials saying "turn your closed lights on" waiting for a good long while after the principle had passed- and then saying 'thanks' and leaving... 

missions and information is secret- not the personnel running the missions or collecting/using the information... watch those guys and you can also learn a lot. 

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #79 on: June 23, 2023, 05:18:52 PM »
Paywall.

I'm sure the article talks about humanity's obsession with exploration and blah blah blah, but I still don't get it.  5 people died.  They were doing something very dangerous and died.  Duh? 

5 veterans probably offed themselves today.  Hippos probably killed 5 people in Africa this week. 
Is it the cost?  An expensive death is more noteworthy? 
So odd.
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Now everyone is an expert on polymers and titanium and secret navy radar and all that nonsense.  It's silly.
Economists often run into the problem of trying to explain Why People Are Interested In Things. Better to accept there is no answer. Better for your mental health, especially for when you have kids and see what they are interested in.

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« Reply #80 on: June 23, 2023, 05:26:34 PM »
Paywall.

I'm sure the article talks about humanity's obsession with exploration and blah blah blah, but I still don't get it.  5 people died.  They were doing something very dangerous and died.  Duh? 

5 veterans probably offed themselves today.  Hippos probably killed 5 people in Africa this week. 
Is it the cost?  An expensive death is more noteworthy? 
So odd.
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Now everyone is an expert on polymers and titanium and secret navy radar and all that nonsense.  It's silly.
And to be honest, I understand fascination with the Titanic. I just didn't understand the fascination with obscenely rich people doing stupid stuff and paying the ultimate price for it. I don't draw the parallel that because they were going down to see the Titanic, that this ultimately has anything to do with the Titanic. So I don't know why someone would ascribe Titanic fascination to this idiocy. 

That said, I heartily enjoy the discussions about titanium and carbon fiber. That's learning some new stuff that's a HELL of a lot more interesting than rich people dying from taking risks they shouldn't have. 

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #81 on: June 23, 2023, 05:29:39 PM »
Economists often run into the problem of trying to explain Why People Are Interested In Things. Better to accept there is no answer. Better for your mental health, especially for when you have kids and see what they are interested in.
Yeah, because economists make a critical mistake of assuming a rational actor :57:

Better economists often understand that rationality is only a part of the human experience, so you have to account for "other" stuff. 

Such as, we're pack animals and we're often interested in whatever the rest of our pack is interested in, so that we fit in. 

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2023, 05:54:18 PM »
Yup.  I thought Clancy favored Marines.

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