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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2023, 05:44:15 PM »
A previous passenger is saying they lost contact on all four trips he did on the sub (I guess he was employee).  They would have been around 9,000 feet at the point of lost contact, which might not change anything.  

Contact was lost with the Titan one hour and 45 minutes into its descent. Based on accounts from previous passengers who reported it took roughly two and a half hours to reach the Titanic wreckage, the vessel could have descended about 8,750 feet before losing contact.

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2023, 05:51:23 PM »
No such thing as a tiny leak most likely.  Once it breached, the difference in force would immediately split the leak or rupture open in milliseconds, and the crushing force would be almost instantaneous.  

12,000 feet is 2.2 miles.  What kind of sonar did the mothership have?  And more importantly, was someone monitoring the sonar at all times, and is there a recording of the live sonar?  I'm betting no.  

Also, if SOSUS picked up the implosion, the Navy may have kept quiet because they don't want their capabilities getting out.  And as far as submarines breaking up and making noises, I think it would happen differently because those subs break apart at much shallower depths, and don't happen all at once.  They have water tight compartments and they would go one by one.  And any WWII sub is much larger than any deep-sea submersible.  

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2023, 05:56:44 PM »
Remember, as we know, at those pressures, if a molecule of water gets in, it's over instantly," Pogue told CNN's Jake Tapper on Thursday. "I know it's no great comfort to the families and the spouses, but they did die instantaneously. They were not even aware that anything was wrong."
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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2023, 05:58:15 PM »
I don't get why this is such a big story.
I don't get why people are obsessed with the Titanic.
The things our society clings onto is so random.
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2023, 06:23:17 PM »
12,000 feet is 2.2 miles.  What kind of sonar did the mothership have?  And more importantly, was someone monitoring the sonar at all times, and is there a recording of the live sonar?  I'm betting no. 

There's also probably the question of what else was going on in the surface support vessel. Was it operating in complete silence? For all we know it had its engines engaged to keep position in a wind. There might be a TON of things that were loud enough happening on the surface that overwhelmed any external noise. This thing isn't a Navy sub running quiet...

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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2023, 06:26:33 PM »
A previous passenger is saying they lost contact on all four trips he did on the sub (I guess he was employee).  They would have been around 9,000 feet at the point of lost contact, which might not change anything. 

Contact was lost with the Titan one hour and 45 minutes into its descent. Based on accounts from previous passengers who reported it took roughly two and a half hours to reach the Titanic wreckage, the vessel could have descended about 8,750 feet before losing contact.
Welp.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12?st=tmqd4va55vpnzky&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12?st=tmqd4va55vpnzky&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2023, 06:31:30 PM »
Welp.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12?st=tmqd4va55vpnzky&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12?st=tmqd4va55vpnzky&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
CDawg, you were absolutely correct.  

It had been reported that nothing was picked up, but it turns the US Navy did- right when it happened.   They apparently didn’t want to cast to much pessimism on the search- not knowing for sure what they heard. 
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2023, 10:35:52 PM »
CDawg, you were absolutely correct. 

It had been reported that nothing was picked up, but it turns the US Navy did- right when it happened.  They apparently didn’t want to cast to much pessimism on the search- not knowing for sure what they heard.
I came here to share the same article. The Navy did detect it but they weren't 100% sure it was that particular sub imploding so they didn't go public but they did alert the incident commander so the search and rescue people probably knew or were at least fairly certain that there was no race against time and no lives to be saved. 

@betarhoalphadelta has a good point, maybe the command ship was making too much noise at the time to hear it but a distant sonar buoy has less interference so they knew right away.

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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2023, 06:32:45 AM »
Such an implosion would be detected hundreds of miles away, I would suspect, depending on water conditions.  Chances are pretty good we'd have an attack sub in that circle, or one of the SOSUS detectors.  Anyway, it's an interesting story, I wonder what aftereffects will now happen.

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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2023, 07:22:50 AM »
if a tree falls in the forest ...
and there's no one there to hear it....
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2023, 08:05:53 AM »
US Coast Guard says they found the tail cone 1,600 feet away from the rest of the sub.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/americas/live-news/titanic-missing-sub-oceangate-06-22-23/index.html

That is clearly a catastrphic implosion. How did the control ship not hear it?
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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2023, 08:36:54 AM »
The surface vessel might not have had hydrophones/passive sonar, though how they would communicate otherwise I dunno.

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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2023, 08:54:54 AM »
This could be interesting.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/titanic-subs-deadly-implosion-draws-investigation-d47398d3?st=nscwfko2q1eu4ix&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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