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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2023, 12:54:04 PM »
Am I a weirdo for being completely uninterested in this mess? 

A bunch of obscenely rich people did something unbelievably risky, at massive cost and useful for very little more than bragging rights to other obscenely rich people, and are probably now dead or dying at the bottom of the ocean. I mean, I'm sad for them and their families, but beyond that I'm actually not giving this any thought at all. 

I might be more likely to follow this if Stockton Rush was NOT among the occupants, because him being above the surface and having to answer for the culpability of this would be a far more interesting storyline. But he's down there too, and unable to answer for what he's done. 

So question to all of you who ARE interested... What about this story makes it so compelling?

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2023, 01:01:27 PM »
So question to all of you who ARE interested... What about this story makes it so compelling?
The fact that every news outlet is headlining it.  I more or less agree with you, it has some technical interest I think.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2023, 01:06:04 PM »
I thought about that. What would the dead bodies emit though?
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2023, 01:10:50 PM »
If they lost power it would get cold inside pretty fast.  Obviously if they had a major unplanned disassembly ...

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2023, 01:38:20 PM »
So question to all of you who ARE interested... What about this story makes it so compelling?
You have a good point. For me, I've been interested in Titanic since way before the recent (as compared to A Night to Remember from the 50's) movie so there is that and also the technical issues.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2023, 01:42:01 PM »
If they lost power it would get cold inside pretty fast.  Obviously if they had a major unplanned disassembly ...
My guess is that it did NOT implode. I say that for two reasons:
  • If the reports of banging sounds are true then obviously it didn't implode.
  • The control ship must have at least passive sonar (a 100+ year old technology) and an implosion would almost certainly have been audible. 


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Re: A Sub Below
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2023, 01:54:40 PM »
The main body likely did not implode, I agree, it could be some pieces of other stuff fell off, perhaps due to entanglement.  We're all guessing of course.  Then banging COULD have been unrelated.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2023, 02:05:50 PM »
Am I a weirdo for being completely uninterested in this mess?

A bunch of obscenely rich people did something unbelievably risky, at massive cost and useful for very little more than bragging rights to other obscenely rich people, and are probably now dead or dying at the bottom of the ocean. I mean, I'm sad for them and their families, but beyond that I'm actually not giving this any thought at all.

I might be more likely to follow this if Stockton Rush was NOT among the occupants, because him being above the surface and having to answer for the culpability of this would be a far more interesting storyline. But he's down there too, and unable to answer for what he's done.

So question to all of you who ARE interested... What about this story makes it so compelling?
No.  You’re a weirdo for other reasons. 

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I wouldn’t say I find it “compelling “ for the same reasons you stated

The human side does make me somewhat interested in that even if these folks were idiots for doing this- I still feel bad that they perished and probably in a very unpleasant manner.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2023, 02:30:30 PM »
You have a good point. For me, I've been interested in Titanic since way before the recent (as compared to A Night to Remember from the 50's) movie so there is that and also the technical issues.
Yeah, and interest in the Titanic is part of it, but I feel like that's almost a side tangent to any of this. I mean, these guys weren't going to go down and do a bunch of new scientific or historical exploration of the wreck. They were going for a pleasure dive because they're rich and wanted to boast that they'd done it. 

As an engineer, I do think the technical issues could be fascinating. And maybe it'll be QUITE a story if somehow, against all odds, they're rescued and we find out what actually happened. But I feel like at this point it's just another wreck down there on the ocean floor, and a lot less interesting of a wreck than the one they were going to see. 


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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2023, 02:47:44 PM »
Am I a weirdo for being completely uninterested in this mess?

A bunch of obscenely rich people did something unbelievably risky, at massive cost and useful for very little more than bragging rights to other obscenely rich people, and are probably now dead or dying at the bottom of the ocean. I mean, I'm sad for them and their families, but beyond that I'm actually not giving this any thought at all.

I might be more likely to follow this if Stockton Rush was NOT among the occupants, because him being above the surface and having to answer for the culpability of this would be a far more interesting storyline. But he's down there too, and unable to answer for what he's done.

So question to all of you who ARE interested... What about this story makes it so compelling?
So, I'm with you on all of this.

What is compelling to me is how many resources are being thrown at this. A non-USCG approved vessel in distress is the subject of USCG resources.

This makes sense how?
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2023, 02:49:10 PM »
Yeah, and interest in the Titanic is part of it, but I feel like that's almost a side tangent to any of this. I mean, these guys weren't going to go down and do a bunch of new scientific or historical exploration of the wreck. They were going for a pleasure dive because they're rich and wanted to boast that they'd done it.

As an engineer, I do think the technical issues could be fascinating. And maybe it'll be QUITE a story if somehow, against all odds, they're rescued and we find out what actually happened. But I feel like at this point it's just another wreck down there on the ocean floor, and a lot less interesting of a wreck than the one they were going to see.
The technical challenges of the rescue efforts fascinate me.

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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2023, 03:09:18 PM »
My guess is that it did NOT implode. I say that for two reasons:
  • If the reports of banging sounds are true then obviously it didn't implode.
  • The control ship must have at least passive sonar (a 100+ year old technology) and an implosion would almost certainly have been audible.
Would an implosion really make much noise? 

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2023, 03:28:35 PM »
Would an implosion really make much noise?
This was how WWII surface ships knew that they had sunk a submarine, they could hear it break up. That is my "source".

I'm sure that distance would lessen the sound but the control ship would have been nearly exactly on top of the sub so it had to be within 12,000 feet or so.

I think the amount of noise would depend on suddenness. If it sprang a leak and filled up, probably not much sound. If it cracked/shattered (my understanding is that Carbon Fiber does that when it fails), that would have made a lot of racket. 

At least that is my guess but I'm not an expert.

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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2023, 04:01:36 PM »
This was how WWII surface ships knew that they had sunk a submarine, they could hear it break up. That is my "source".

I'm sure that distance would lessen the sound but the control ship would have been nearly exactly on top of the sub so it had to be within 12,000 feet or so.

I think the amount of noise would depend on suddenness. If it sprang a leak and filled up, probably not much sound. If it cracked/shattered (my understanding is that Carbon Fiber does that when it fails), that would have made a lot of racket.

At least that is my guess but I'm not an expert.
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