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Also, that "Fox Sports putting their best games at noon" thing probably deserves more conversation. I think it's a big deal.

I think it's a bad deal

Talking about Happy Valley 

Ah ah! Say no more. I misunderstood.

And M-OSU has been played at one for a while and 3:30 in '06(pretty sure)

I said *always,* didn't I? I was being careless with words (focusing on the recent) because you are right. I think the 2003 game was at 1PM and many others too.

1PM is my top preference, if we can ever get back to that. This game doesn't need the gimmick of primetime to be great. Noon ET is perfectly fitting, but 1PM ET is like a version of noon that's a small dose extra special.

I think it's a bad deal

It's a personal preference. Aside from my bias for noon games this year because it slightly behooves my team @UW and @PSU, I have long prefered the kickoffs before 3:30PM ET. Just in general. This includes the noons, 1PM kicks, etc. ... heck there aren't any at 11AM ET, but I'd love that too. To me, *anything* 3:30 or later is less enjoyable. If it were my call, home or away, I'd always see my team play up front.

11ET would be 10AM for you. I wouldn't love it *because* you hate it, but I would love it anyway.

As for what Fox is doing, yes, I'm sure they're seeking a niche. But it isn't a Boise-State-on-Thursday kind of niche. It's more of a niche for helmets, as opposed to the kind of gimmick that lets unknown programs escape the normal window to appear on the radar in the first place. At the very worst, Fox's "forcing of noon" in 2019 is the same as the "forcing of primetime" we saw throughout CFB starting around the mid-2000s. And that's something you may have supported.

Also, that "Fox Sports putting their best games at noon" thing probably deserves more conversation. I think it's a big deal.

I think it sucks.

11ET would be 10AM for you. I wouldn't love it *because* you hate it, but I would love it anyway.

As for what Fox is doing, yes, I'm sure they're seeking a niche. But it isn't a Boise-State-on-Thursday kind of niche. It's more of a niche for helmets, as opposed to the kind of gimmick that lets unknown programs escape the normal window to appear on the radar in the first place. At the very worst, Fox's "forcing of noon" in 2019 is the same as the "forcing of primetime" we saw throughout CFB starting around the mid-2000s. And that's something you may have supported.

Agree 100%

Prime time isn't even a big deal anymore.  Michigan-Middle Tennessee is Prime Time Week 1.  MSU opens with a pair of prime time games against Tulsa and Western Michigan.

I love, love, love, love noon games.  But even if you don't, don't you simply enjoy not having every good game on at the same time?  Moving a game to prime time was a big deal because it was different, and because you put all the yeballs on it.  Now there are a dozen a week, so you don't even get the eyeballs.  Instead, you are stuck watching Illinois-Indiana at noon, for lack of options, and trying to flip between 4 big games in prime time.  I'd rather spread the games out.

Plus no prime time game has ever matched a 3:30 game with the sun setting going into the 4th quarter as far as big time feel goes.  That just feels like a 90s marquee ABC game to me.

I think it sucks.

Because -- home or away -- you always prefer to watch UW at night? Or is it that you like noon games just fine but also wish UW had more control here?