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Topic: Best MBB program never to win it all?

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2020, 11:27:00 PM »
Hey, I wasn't the one who pitted Boise vs TCU that one year.  That was messed up, and everyone knew it.
Agreed. 

I was just mentioning that ELA called them "exhibitions" like those games meant nothing, and you've discounted those wins because the helmet team wasn't motivated. 

There's an inherent assumption that Boise just doesn't belong, so by nature people with that assumption have to find ways to discount the games where they were trying to show they can belong. 

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2020, 12:16:56 AM »
It’s hard to make that comparison when a school has never won a NC. I’m not a big Weber fan but he took them further than anyone else has.

Well looking it up, I was a little off, as Weber had a bit of a resurgence with his own recruits that eluded Coker. But not nearly as much postseason success.

When Coker took over at Da U he inherited a monster Butch Davis roster loaded with future NFL talent. As each class graduated, there was a little bit of a drop off.
-2001 He ran the table and won a NC. Then he lost a Butch Davis class.
-2002 He ran the table again, but lost to OSU in the NCG. Then he lost another Butch Davis class.
-2003 You might not remember because it was a long time ago, but they went 11-2 and finished #5 with an Orange Bowl win. So they were still pretty elite, but then he lost another Butch Davis class.
-2004 and 2005 Went 9-3 both years, finishing #11 in 04 with a Peach Bowl win and #17/18 in 05 with a Peach Bowl loss. But he lost the final remnants of the Butch Davis recruits over those two seasons.
-2006 First year with an entire roster of Larry Coker recruits. Went 7-5 and lost his job. fwiw he won the MPC Computers bowl.

Bruce Weber started on a similar trajectory, but then had a pretty good year with his own roster in 09, but then slid back downhill after that.
-2004 Big Ten Title, but knocked out in the Sweet 16
-2005 Won all but two games; OSU and the NCG. Amazing run.
-2006 2nd in the Big Ten, but then knocked out in the Thirsty 32. (oh yes I did)
-2007 Won 23 games, but then knocked out in the opening round.
-2008 Finished under .500.
-2009 Resurgence. 24 wins and a second place Big Ten finish, but then lost in the opening round.
-2010 21 wins. NIT Quarterfinals.
-2011 20 wins. Bounced in the Thirsty 32.
-2012 Went 17-15, and lost his job.

Both programs have been in shambles ever since. A decent season here and there, but shells of their former... Selfs. 
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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2020, 09:05:07 AM »
Lou Henson probably had the best team in the nation in '89, he just picked the wrong 1 of 3 to lose to UM.
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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2020, 08:01:21 PM »
Agreed.

I was just mentioning that ELA called them "exhibitions" like those games meant nothing, and you've discounted those wins because the helmet team wasn't motivated.

There's an inherent assumption that Boise just doesn't belong, so by nature people with that assumption have to find ways to discount the games where they were trying to show they can belong.
To be specific, the "letdown" is more about the team who's elite season goals were lost in the previous, regular season-ending game.  It has little to do with the opponent in the bowl.
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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2020, 05:34:23 PM »
Most NCAA tourney wins without a title:

  • t1. Oklahoma - 42 (t19th overall)
  • t1. Purdue - 42 (t19th)
  • 3. Illinois - 40 (23rd)
  • 4. Notre Dame - 38 (t24th)
  • 5. Kansas State - 37 (t28th)
  • 6. Texas - 35 (t30th)
  • t7. Gonzaga - 34 (t32nd)
  • t7. Memphis - 34 (t32nd)
  • 9. Temple - 33 (t34th)
  • 10. West Virginia - 31 
I voted Purdue but I was worried that it might have been B1G bias on my part. This makes me feel better about them as my pick. I'm not saying that this list is the end-all-be-all only factor, but it is a big factor to me. I'd tiebreak Purdue over Oklahoma just because I think of Purdue as more of a BB power than Oklahoma but I admit that is totally subjective. 

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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2020, 05:36:05 PM »
I have a feeling that Medina is whipping up a masterpiece as we speak.
Sorry, no. Medina has been busy, I am happy to announce that there is a brand new Buckeye in Medina. My wife and I had a daughter last Thursday!

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Re: Best MBB program never to win it all?
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2020, 07:15:09 PM »
Sorry, no. Medina has been busy, I am happy to announce that there is a brand new Buckeye in Medina. My wife and I had a daughter last Thursday!
Sounds like you got busy... 

...'bout 9 months ago. 

Congrats! 

 

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