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ACC proposing a change that players could play in ANY 4 games and still get a redshirt.  Would be particularly big for how many freshmen could now play in bowl games.

I am 100% for this.

Yeah, I think I'd prefer the change that bowls don't count towards your redshirt.

Even that said PURELY FROM A FAN STANDPOINT, NOT FROM A PLAYERS FAIRNESS STANDPOINT, I've come back a bit on that.

Initially it seemed great, as a way to balance kids not playing.  But I realized that's great... for your team.  I'd be interested to see MSUs true freshmen.  Maybe a conference opponents QB.  Other than that?  Don't care.  Turn on a random bowl and Iowa decides to roll with three true freshmen on the OL to get a look at them?  I'm turning that off.  LSU decides to out in their true freshman QB on a potential game winning drive to see how he handles adversity?  I don't care.

So I'm not sure that helps "save" the bowls as much as I initially thought.  I actually think it makes me less interested in every non MSU bowl if the teams treat them like NFL preseason games.  Particularly because it'll also damage bowl pools, if you can't even rely on how seriously a team will take a game, and that's what gives me a rooting interest in a good number of games, just like the bracket pools in March.  I'm guessing Vegas wouldn't like the change either.

I don't understand the need for any change.  If anything, I would prefer ELA's idea about simply ignoring bowl participation.  Actually, I don't really have a problem with this, because bowls are "extra time" (but would it also be allowed in the playoff games?)

But instead of passing the "any four games" rule, let's just extend eligibility to five years straightaway and be done with it (I'm not in favor of this, it's not a professional league, but we should at least "man up" and admit what the change really is).

Maybe I'm wrong.  What am I missing?

I think 4 games is too many.  I'd be good with 2 or 3.  coaches could play freshman against the cupcake ooc games and then decide who to redshirt.

Trying to decide how I feel about this.  I'm in favor of the bowl proposal, but not sure about this.  My initial reaction is to agree with Geolion.  Four seems like too many.  I think two plus the bowl would be good.  It might be nice to be able to get some true freshman's feet wet against an OOC Cupcake and I like it for bowls particularly to offset the growing trend of non-participation but I don't think it should be 1/3 of the season.  

I think 4 games is too many.  I'd be good with 2 or 3.  coaches could play freshman against the cupcake ooc games and then decide who to redshirt.

I like this idea.  4 games just seems a bit excessive.  2 games gives you the bowl plus flexibility if a guy goes down late in the season.  If a guy goes down in October, you're probably burning a shirt to begin with.