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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #112 on: March 16, 2021, 11:50:24 AM »
I really do not think major corporations are hindering progress somehow.  That assertion makes no sense to me.  What happens is they come and go, others replace them over time.  Remember KMart?  Woolworths?  Even GE got chisseled.
Well K-Mart isn't going to have lobbyists restricting new laws to prolong their business, but many do.  You're citing stores against a point where I was using major industries as examples.
The corporations can't halt progress forever, but the bigger they are and the more proactive they are in maintaining the situation in which they became ultra-successful, the longer they're able to stagnate things.
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Look at the auto industry.  There's a reason we all know who Elon Musk is.  He's promoting a paradigm shift.  Because aside from safety and entertainment developments, cars haven't changed a lot in 50 years.  Why is that?  Why did the largest automakers need unholy bailouts?  They were fat, bloated whales and existed as such because there was no reason to be anything else.  They had no incentive to change.  
They only made their cars more eco-friendly when the customer started caring about that in their buying decisions (and the pollution laws that followed).  Of course they fought it along the way, often in private.  
I'm not saying anything radical here.  When you've mastered checkers, you aren't incentivized to go start playing chess.  Usain Bolt isn't going to start running the mile now.  It makes sense to want to keep things how they are when you're a titan in that environment.  
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Without Elon Musk, Ford, Chevy, and the like would still be poo-pooing electric cars.  Their growing market share would be stagnant.  Our choices would be more limited.  Without individuals who want something better, progress doesn't happen.  
Reliance on oil - same.
Old, slow train lines - same.
Soft drinks - same.
Tyson chicken - same.
Dozens of companies I've probably never even heard of - same.  Basically any industry that gets up-in-arms about a successful upstart is who I'm talking about here.  They're not specifically colluding, but they're not doing their best to break off from the pack.  These big companies want to be first, in a tightly-packed group of herd-mentality companies, where no one rocks the boat.  It's like the mile run at a track meet in the first 2 laps.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #113 on: March 16, 2021, 11:52:21 AM »
My old employer started out when a candle maker and soap maker got together.  Cincinnati was a hog slaughtering place in the 1830s, so there was a lot of cheap hog fat around, both of which are starting materials for candles and soap.  They no longer make candles, and the soap is contracted out (maybe they don't sell it at all now).

This is an example of a company that morphed into entirely different lines of work like making paper.  Other companies have done the same, and some of course simply failed, like "buggy whip companies" in 1905.

The major oil companies can see the writing on the wall.  They just aren't sure how to respond, beyond some PR stuff, and they think they have plenty of time.  I'm not sure they have as much as they may think.  I expect by 2050, most automobiles will be electric, gasoline use could be one percent of today's.  Airplanes MIGHT run on hydrogen, I'm not sure how they evolve.  We'll still need oil for chemicals, plastics, etc., but that is less than ten percent today.

We may be at Peak Oil now, not for the reasons feared back when.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2021, 11:54:07 AM »
It's just my opinion, but I think OAM has an ultra simplistic view of Big Business, Europe, and a few other things.

It's  like getting information from some movie, it's just weird.  To me.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2021, 11:54:15 AM »
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #116 on: March 16, 2021, 11:56:13 AM »
It's just my opinion, but I think OAM has an ultra simplistic view of Big Business, Europe, and a few other things.

It's  like getting information from some movie, it's just weird.  To me.
pretty simple to me

private sector bad only out for their own benefit

public sector good have the well being for all citizens at heart
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #117 on: March 16, 2021, 11:58:00 AM »
pretty simple to me

private sector bad only out for their own benefit

public sector good have the well being for all citizens at heart
The person/company I cited as doing something better is a private sector entity.  But don't let that get in the way of your caricature of me.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2021, 11:58:49 AM »
It's just my opinion, but I think OAM has an ultra simplistic view of Big Business, Europe, and a few other things.

It's  like getting information from some movie, it's just weird.  To me.
I think you've had a veil over your eyes for 12 decades and so lifting that veil may be difficult.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2021, 12:02:29 PM »
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #120 on: March 16, 2021, 12:03:41 PM »
Well, I have worked for a large company, I have a first hand sense of how they work.  I've traveled extensively in Europe and have a French wife, so I have some firsthand knowledge of that as well.  A LOT of what you post is, to me, naive crap, garnered from Hollywood movies.

My French cousins who have never traveled to the US  have a similar kind of view of how life is here, and it's based on movies, and strange French reportage.

Companies evolve, or die, with changing times.  


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #121 on: March 16, 2021, 12:06:59 PM »
My take on Europe drastically changed with my several visits there. They are more like "us" than some of "us" would have you believe.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #122 on: March 16, 2021, 12:09:54 PM »
Of course they are like us in most respects.  A LOT of Americans admire Europe, from afar, having spent maybe a week there as a tourist.

I had coworkers at my level in the company living in Europe.  Their standard of living was maybe half mine.  Same compensation basically.  They were scraping by and envious of us in the US.


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #123 on: March 16, 2021, 12:15:40 PM »
IMHO, a lot of the public vs private Innovation debate here is misguided. The bigger issue, a lot of times, is simply size and burecratic inertia. 

Large bureaucracies are generally terrible at Innovation irrespective of whether they are public or private. 

Innovation generally comes from small start-up types. Once the Innovation gets off the ground and proves successful, frequently the start-up that launched it will be acquired by a much larger, established company. 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #124 on: March 16, 2021, 12:23:29 PM »
IMHO, a lot of the public vs private Innovation debate here is misguided. The bigger issue, a lot of times, is simply size and burecratic inertia.

Large bureaucracies are generally terrible at Innovation irrespective of whether they are public or private.

Innovation generally comes from small start-up types. Once the Innovation gets off the ground and proves successful, frequently the start-up that launched it will be acquired by a much larger, established company.
Generally, but the response of many large companies to this pandemic has been stellar. 
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #125 on: March 16, 2021, 12:26:15 PM »
its not the purpose of a company to be innovative

their purpose is to make money

now if they need to be ahead of the pack to make money then they become innovative

to produce a needed product not currently being produced or to produce an existing product cheaper

the public sector does not have pressure on it to be innovative and thats why most of our innovative products come from the private sector from the pressure to make a profit

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