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Topic: Luke Fickell or Matt Campbell...who ya got?
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MaximumSam · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:02:01 AM »

I was in the same boat on Fickell, but in retrospect it's tough to see anyone succeeding that year. He got thrust into the role after spring practice, Jim Bollman was his OC, and Joe Bauserman was his qb. Not exactly a recipe for success.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:07:02 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on December 09, 2020, 10:02:01 AM

I was in the same boat on Fickell, but in retrospect it's tough to see anyone succeeding that year. He got thrust into the role after spring practice, Jim Bollman was his OC, and Joe Bauserman was his qb. Not exactly a recipe for success.

You are probably right but you could be wrong and that is the risk TX/M/FSU would be taking.

ELA · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:24:43 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on December 09, 2020, 08:21:04 AM

I'm a believer. The bigwigs don't seem to want him but I thought Sparty should have gone all in. Not sure how long Illinois will roll with Lovie but they could be a spot too.

I liked him too

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:34:31 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 09, 2020, 09:43:09 AM

I'm not sure how I feel about Fickell. I loved him as a player and as an assistant at tOSU and he is doing amazing things with the Bearcats but his interim HC year in Columbus was an unmitigated disaster. He took a team that went 12-1 under Tressel the year before (only loss on the road to a very good UW team) and 12-0 the next year under Meyer and he went 6-7 with them.

So the question is:
Did he suck as HC in Columbus because he just wasn't quite ready or because being HC at a major helmet program is just not his thing?

That is the risk TX, FSU, or M would be taking by hiring him. If it was just because he wasn't quite ready then it looks like he IS ready now and he'd be a great hire. If it was because being a HC at a major helmet program is just not his thing then whoever hires him will be looking for a new HC again in a few years.

Are you forgetting the suspended players? The major negative recruiting he inherited? The negative culture and press?

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:36:16 AM »

I'm no Fickell apologist for his season at OSU, it was downright disastrous. He was a deer in the headlights, he was trying to be Jim Tressel instead of himself. I've made the analogy on more than one occasion that he got to take his drivers exam in a Ferrari, and he wrapped it around a tree.

That said, I think that he has shown enough to demonstrate monumental growth as a coach since then. He has learned from two legends, but he doesn't try to imitate either. He puts his own spin on it, and it is working.

Coaching at a big city school in a G5 is somewhat analogous to coaching at a helmet in the P5. Big city schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc have a tremendous advantage over their directional school conference mates in both recruiting and exposure. You get a competent coach at one of those programs, and they'll have it humming pretty quickly.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2020, 10:59:18 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on December 09, 2020, 10:02:01 AM

I was in the same boat on Fickell, but in retrospect it's tough to see anyone succeeding that year. He got thrust into the role after spring practice, Jim Bollman was his OC, and Joe Bauserman was his qb. Not exactly a recipe for success.

Ya Pryor was suppose to stick around but he bolted also ahead of the tatoo sheriff.So even with a decent squad the team focus just wasn't there and UFM was the attention getter they needed

MrNubbz · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2020, 11:15:28 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on December 09, 2020, 09:13:16 AM

Big buyout? Tom has one of those. Jim doesn’t.

They'd still have to pony up 7.5 mil and pay the new guy a nice chunk if they part ways - that doiesn't sit well with Regents/trustees.Prolly going to leave JH right there and see if he can earn his keep.What Texas & Michigan did throwing gobs of cash uncontested with no incentive attached may be the blueprint for future negotiations if Admns care or are paying attention

bayareabadger · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:31:04 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on December 09, 2020, 11:15:28 AM

They'd still have to pony up 7.5 mil and pay the new guy a nice chunk if they part ways - that doiesn't sit well with Regents/trustees.Prolly going to leave JH right there and see if he can earn his keep.What Texas & Michigan did throwing gobs of cash uncontested with no incentive attached may be the blueprint for future negotiations if Admns care or are paying attention

I mean, whenever they fire someone, there's a buyout to pay. Everyone does it, over and over. Texas and Michigan are not unique or unusual. OSU has likely done the same thing, they're just not bad enough for it to matter and have had no real firings in two decades.

Michigan has actually done the unusual thing which is to let the contract wind down. That $7.5 is a steal in modern terms. Now, they can let next year be a mess recruiting-wise and probably team-wise as a lame duck, but that $7.5 is a bargain in these terms. He's 44th nationally in buyout among publicly available contracts. There are only six P5 guys behind him.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:34:06 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on December 09, 2020, 10:02:01 AM

I was in the same boat on Fickell, but in retrospect it's tough to see anyone succeeding that year. He got thrust into the role after spring practice, Jim Bollman was his OC, and Joe Bauserman was his qb. Not exactly a recipe for success.

He was put in a really tough position as an interim, and he was a lame duck because there was no way he was going to get that job permanently. Lame duck coaches typically don't get the team playing hard for them week in week out- my guess is everyone figures what's the point- he's not going to be here next year so who cares.

You'd have to be crazy to hold that interim 6-7 record and that season with all that turmoil and drama going on around the program against him. There were a lot of reasons for that 6-7 record, it wasn't like it was all on Fickell.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:35:17 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2020, 08:17:46 AM

Lance Leipold.

35-32 in the MAC with a 5-7, 2-10, and 6-6 season doesn't exactly scream great coach.....hard pass.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:37:51 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on December 09, 2020, 01:31:04 PM

I mean, whenever they fire someone, there's a buyout to pay. Everyone does it, over and over. Texas and Michigan are not unique or unusual. OSU has likely done the same thing, they're just not bad enough for it to matter and have had no real firings in two decades.

Michigan has actually done the unusual thing which is to let the contract wind down. That $7.5 is a steal in modern terms. Now, they can let next year be a mess recruiting-wise and probably team-wise as a lame duck, but that $7.5 is a bargain in these terms. He's 44th nationally in buyout among publicly available contracts. There are only six P5 guys behind him.

Yeah, if they were going to get rid of him, time is now. That is one of the cheapest buyouts for a major head coach with a fat contract that I can ever remember.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 09, 2020, 07:54:24 AM

Campbell is Harbaugh; he'll get you ten wins, but he won't beat your rival or win you a conference title. So I'd take a flyer on Fickell.

I don't think you can equate the two.

Campbell is coaching at a program that struggles to crack the top 75 in recruiting year in year out. Harbaugh is coaching at a program that can recruit top 10 classes even when they suck.

Coaching at Iowa State is a hell of a lot harder than coaching at Michigan.

Also: Campbell develops his players. Brock Purdy is a way better QB than any Harbaugh has developed at Michigan, and Breece Hall is a way better RB than any Harbaugh has developed at Michigan.

Recruiting is so important- but so is actually developing players. Harbaugh doesn't develop players. See: DPJ, Charbonnet, or any QB that has ever played for Harbaugh at Michigan.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2020, 02:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 09, 2020, 01:35:17 PM

35-32 in the MAC with a 5-7, 2-10, and 6-6 season doesn't exactly scream great coach.....hard pass.

Dood... it's f'ing Buffalo. He did win his division a couple of years ago, and look at all those national championships at UW-Whitewater. The guy can coach.

4-0 this season.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #27 on:** December 09, 2020, 02:26:15 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 09, 2020, 01:39:10 PM

I don't think you can equate the two.

Campbell is coaching at a program that struggles to crack the top 75 in recruiting year in year out. Harbaugh is coaching at a program that can recruit top 10 classes even when they suck.

Coaching at Iowa State is a hell of a lot harder than coaching at Michigan.

Also: Campbell develops his players. Brock Purdy is a way better QB than any Harbaugh has developed at Michigan, and Breece Hall is a way better RB than any Harbaugh has developed at Michigan.

Recruiting is so important- but so is actually developing players. Harbaugh doesn't develop players. See: DPJ, Charbonnet, or any QB that has ever played for Harbaugh at Michigan.

So here's the thing, I think he has a bad loss problem.

Like, his teams have a habit of dud games, a little like Tress did at points, but more often. He has in Ames and did at Toledo. And you get away with that at a historically bad program. At a good one, it becomes an issue (see Herman, Tom).

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