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Topic: List of players sitting out their bowl game

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2018, 07:36:23 AM »
Then it's not a good "business" to get into, right?
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 07:38:18 AM »
Hmm. You've moved on too soon. I guess it doesn't interest you to counterargue why you think the Bo/Frieder analogy is not broken?

It's not broken at all. If a person tells their manager they no longer want to be a part of the team, they're gone. It doesn't matter what the team is. It could be any operation.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2018, 08:24:13 AM »
It is a joke, and I use it a lot. My youngest is getting married on July 5th next year. The nerve!!

I can tell you that missing a game, for any reason, was not tolerated or allowed when I grew up. I also carried this with me to when I raised my own. If you join a team, you play for the team. There is no excuse (unless hospitalized or attending a funeral or wedding).
It's not that big a deal, and the sun will still rise on those campuses, but I'm with you on this.  It's a crappy thing to do to your teammates.
At Maryland we seem to lose a lot of athletes who go pro early.  I understand and accept the argument that you can't turn down millions of dollars if they are available.  But this seems different to me.  It's letting down your teammates by not showing up when you committed to showing up.  Like I said, the sun will still, rise, but...
A guy like Will Grier knew a long time ago that he had a shot at the NFL.  What's so special about skipping this particular game?  Why not bag the season after it was clear that they weren't going make the playoffs, or win the conference?  Why even come back for the season at all?  Some of this still puzzles me.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2018, 08:34:54 AM »
The system is set up to screw these kids out of money they have earned.  So whatever they "owe" has already been paid.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2018, 08:37:38 AM »
A guy like Will Grier knew a long time ago that he had a shot at the NFL.  What's so special about skipping this particular game?  Why not bag the season after it was clear that they weren't going make the playoffs, or win the conference?  Why even come back for the season at all?  Some of this still puzzles me.
That's been my big question all along.  For example, if Justin Layne is going to skip the bowl, why did he play against Rutgers, or even Nebraska for that matter?  MSU was 6-4 going into Nebraska.  They had already clinched a bowl bid, they weren't winning any title, so how are those games any more important than the bowl game?  I have yet to hear a convincing answer other than "they aren't."  So I'm assuming that's the next step?  To me the only logical answer is "I get it, but I don't like it."  Are high school kids going to start sitting out once they commit to programs?  Is that going to worry college teams?  I don't know the answer.  I think the only thing that might change it is NFL teams saying they are marking that as a yellow flag as to how those players will treat a contract year for them

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2018, 08:47:08 AM »
I think the only thing that might change it is NFL teams saying they are marking that as a yellow flag as to how those players will treat a contract year for them
I was thinking about this too. If I were a GM, I would not select a player who quit on his team.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2018, 08:53:47 AM »
I would like to add that Anonymous Coward's thoughts on this subject definitely resonate and strike a chord  with me (gee, can I think of another cliche?).  I honestly don't know how I feel about this.  And who really cares what I think, anyway?  I'm not even sure I do!

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
I was thinking about this too. If I were a GM, I would not select a player who quit on his team.
The NFL could put an end to it by guaranteeing contracts both ways, like the other leagues do, but they don't, because they want to be able to rip up a contract when it no longer benefits them too.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2018, 09:24:31 AM »
 I think the only thing that might change it is NFL teams saying they are marking that as a yellow flag as to how those players will treat a contract year for them
Problem is they effed it up themselves by throwing guaranteed cash at free agents instead of implementing an incentive based pay scale 
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2018, 09:35:20 AM »
We need the NFL to make a minor league for kids who have no interest in Kolledge. That would solve a lot of stuff.
Yup but some Universities will obviously take a financial hit(top 5-10 draws) but across the board that would obviously put a stop to it.The encroachment of NFL popularity timewise is a relatively recent thing.At it's inception both CFB and beisbol were both more popular and by no small margin either.Guys were staying in College because the NFL wasn't paying much better than a sustenance wage that had to be supplemented in the off season.Inadvertently both the NCAA/NFL created todays chaos thru their own wanton greed
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2018, 12:12:46 PM »
If I had a son positioned to be a 1st day pick in the draft and the team was playing in a fairly meaningless bowl game, I would probably counsel him to sit it out.

I'd let him decide on his own, but if he asked, I would say sit.

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2018, 12:33:21 PM »
I was thinking about this too. If I were a GM, I would not select a player who quit on his team.
You would if he filled a hole in your team.  We all would.  Do you know how many NFL GMs manage with their heart?  None, they've all been fired.  The moment you take the less-talented guy, you've lost.
This is why this issue sucks so hard.  College coaches have to abide by it, as to keep the talent rolling in.  The NFL GMs have to pretend not to care, to keep the talent rolling in.
My issue with it is purely statistical.  Whether you've been hurt already or not, even in this violent game, what are the odds your career will be at-risk in the next 60 snaps?  Very little.  If you're a baller, do the insurance thing and have at it.  Go have fun, play hard, etc.
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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2018, 12:41:06 PM »
Meanwhile, I'd rather not call out these sitting players as exhibiting poor principles. But if a person insists on going that way, it's impossible without highlighting that the system they play in, that arbitrarily refuses their access to personal market value, has an equal and opposite lack of principles.

Exactly. I don't like it at all. I personally, from an emotional perspective, consider them as quitting on their teammates. It grates at me.
But I have to look at the bigger picture, and realize that even though I don't like what they're doing, they're basically locked into a crap system that puts all the risk [injury] on their shoulders and doesn't adequately compensate for that risk. I can't blame them for doing what is best for them, when the system is designed to make it impossible for playing the game to be what's best for them. 

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Re: List of players sitting out their bowl game
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2018, 01:17:01 PM »
It's not broken at all. If a person tells their manager they no longer want to be a part of the team, they're gone. It doesn't matter what the team is. It could be any operation.
The analogy is broken because Frieder versus these students do not take on the same risk for their self-interested choices. That asymmetry makes it flawed as a thought experiment. Or, to use the cliche I was avoiding, "apples and oranges."

 

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