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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #238 on: August 03, 2021, 05:48:45 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2021, 04:39:06 PM
FWIW, I am not saying that I "want" them to take Kansas and Iowa State. I am just predicting that they will, and I will be happy to be wrong.

I've felt this way for a while though, so I have kind of made my peace with it. At least it maintains the geographic integrity of the SEC and Big Ten being divided along civil war lines, while the Pac 12 gets everything west of the Central Time Zone.

Silver linings are my specialty, I know.
So will I, but WTF??





This better be just some sunshine pumper from Lawrence.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #239 on: August 03, 2021, 05:51:15 PM »
hopefully, King Barry is on the scene 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #240 on: August 03, 2021, 05:52:37 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2021, 05:27:11 PM
The school Presidents and Chancellors make the decisions. The tails do not wag the dogs in the B1G.
unfortunately, this is why the SEC will win
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #241 on: August 03, 2021, 06:37:53 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2021, 03:35:53 PM

So the Big Ten needs to "keep up with the SEC" by matching each "Helmet" that the SEC adds with a member of the AAU?

How exactly does that keep the Big Ten up with the SEC?

What's the point of considering anything other than a USC/ND home run? Just to widen the Academic/Athletic chasm between the Big Ten and SEC from both ends, instead of just one?

That said, they are SO gonna add Kansas and Iowa State, with "AAU" as the reasoning. The SEC will point and laugh, and then maybe add FSU and Clemson just to rub our noses in it.
The B1G is trying to be the best academically and athletically....and they can't.  No one can.  The Ivy League did, but that was over 100 years ago.
The SEC, in all its mouth-breathing, good-ole-boy way, is smart enough to know you can be the best in one and have some schools check the other box. 
It was the best athletically before adding UT and OU and had Vandy, Florida, A&M, and UGA for academics.  Now it has OU for athletics and UT for academics.  It got stronger in both.  
The B1G can be the best P5 academically, but recently, with MSU's fall, it's falling short athletically.  It's Ohio State and the 13 dwarfs.  It's not an insult, it's the reality.  I may be too football-centric here, but that's the $$$ of the situation.  
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #242 on: August 03, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 03, 2021, 06:37:53 PM
The B1G is trying to be the best academically and athletically....and they can't.  No one can.  The Ivy League did, but that was over 100 years ago.
The SEC, in all its mouth-breathing, good-ole-boy way, is smart enough to know you can be the best in one and have some schools check the other box.
It was the best athletically before adding UT and OU and had Vandy, Florida, A&M, and UGA for academics.  Now it has OU for athletics and UT for academics.  It got stronger in both. 
The B1G can be the best P5 academically, but recently, with MSU's fall, it's falling short athletically.  It's Ohio State and the 13 dwarfs.  It's not an insult, it's the reality.  I may be too football-centric here, but that's the $$$ of the situation. 

Ouch, talk about backhanded compliments... :)

You know, Texas did just win the Director's Cup All-Sports Trophy, first time Stanford hasn't won it in several decades.

But yes, as you point out, this is really all about football, and Texas has sucked at that particular sport for over a decade now.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #243 on: August 03, 2021, 06:58:31 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2021, 05:27:11 PM
The school Presidents and Chancellors make the decisions. The tails do not wag the dogs in the B1G.
Yes, as their covid reaction recently illustrated.
Big Ten isn't going to approach this like the SEC, because their goals are quite different.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #244 on: August 03, 2021, 07:03:52 PM »
What about Missouri?  Would they be attractive to the B1G?

It's no secret at all that inn 2010  they desperately coveted the spot that was eventually given to Nebraska.  I think if the B1G offered, they'd take it in a heartbeat.  And there's no penalty in the SEC for leaving.  

That could even free up a spot for the SEC to take someone else that's potentially more strategic or a better cultural fit.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #245 on: August 03, 2021, 07:14:15 PM »
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« Reply #246 on: August 03, 2021, 07:19:19 PM »
and the PAC approaches things much differently than the B1G
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #247 on: August 03, 2021, 07:20:38 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2021, 07:03:52 PM
What about Missouri?  Would they be attractive to the B1G?

It's no secret at all that inn 2010  they desperately coveted the spot that was eventually given to Nebraska.  I think if the B1G offered, they'd take it in a heartbeat.  And there's no penalty in the SEC for leaving. 

That could even free up a spot for the SEC to take someone else that's potentially more strategic or a better cultural fit.
I've had the same thought
KU and Mizzou make a good pair
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #248 on: August 03, 2021, 08:12:00 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2021, 07:03:52 PM
What about Missouri?  Would they be attractive to the B1G?

It's no secret at all that inn 2010  they desperately coveted the spot that was eventually given to Nebraska.  I think if the B1G offered, they'd take it in a heartbeat.  And there's no penalty in the SEC for leaving. 
There's a reason there's no penalty for leaving the SEC.  
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #249 on: August 03, 2021, 08:19:39 PM »
What's the Kansas City breakdown? 

Kansas is closer, but most of the metro is in Missouri. 

I should know this since I lived there for a year in second grade, but that was when the Royals had George Brett, Brett Saberhagan and Bo Jackson. So they gobbled up most of the schoolyard sports banter. 

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #250 on: August 03, 2021, 08:28:29 PM »
Kansas City???

Jayhawks hoops, Mizzou football
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #251 on: August 03, 2021, 08:32:32 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 03, 2021, 08:12:00 PM
There's a reason there's no penalty for leaving the SEC. 
Obviously.  Not sure why you even felt the need to say this.

But Mizzou always wanted the B1G because they coveted the academic prestige.  To them the SEC was actually their 2nd choice. If the B1G offered them today, they'd be gone tomorrow.

The SEC would be fine without them, of course.  There are plenty of schools that would gladly replace them.
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