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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #196 on: August 02, 2021, 12:30:17 PM »
Ought to give the Big Ten/Pac 12 "alliance" a go before jumping into anything rash.

Basically the same thing as "standing pat" only some non-con games mixed in.

Each conference would get their own autobid that way, instead of having to share one like SWC/SEC. (SWEC?)

Plus you can always back out if it sucks, or merge down the road if it is the cat's pajamas.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #197 on: August 02, 2021, 12:35:07 PM »
"Alliance" is a good term for it, I think, instead of "merger" or whatever else.  What if the "SEC Alliance" cherry picks from the Big 12 and ACC to form four large "divisions"?

You'd perhaps have four 8 team "conferences" in alliance with each other sharing revenue.  Maybe four ten team "conferences"?
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #198 on: August 02, 2021, 07:51:15 PM »
I'm kind of amazed that the Pac 12 hasn't gobbled up Texas Tech yet, it seems so obvious to me that they need to extend a tentacle into Texas, and that west Texas would be the ideal place for them to do it. 

Of course there isn't really an obvious candidate to pair them with. New Mexico would be a geographic bridge, but they are hilariously bad. Boise and UNLV have the markets, but not the "Academics" (or in UNLV's case, the football). BYU and Baylor are obviously out on religious grounds, and I can't even entertain the idea of OSUs 2&3 being in the same conference as one another, even if they are in alternate divisions. Hawaii would be kind of cool, but there are probably a myriad of issues there as well. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #199 on: August 02, 2021, 10:06:38 PM »
Before the University of Texas made the decision to cut loose from the Big 12 and join the SEC, two other conferences were under consideration. School president Jay Hartzell confirmed that during a special Senate committee meeting in front of Texas lawmakers on Monday.

Hartzell was asked if the school explored joining the B1G or the ACC before making a decision to reach out to the SEC. He confirmed that those two leagues were under consideration, but Texas did not reach out to either conference.


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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #200 on: August 03, 2021, 06:44:33 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 02, 2021, 12:30:17 PM
Ought to give the Big Ten/Pac 12 "alliance" a go before jumping into anything rash.

Basically the same thing as "standing pat" only some non-con games mixed in.

Each conference would get their own autobid that way, instead of having to share one like SWC/SEC. (SWEC?)

Plus you can always back out if it sucks, or merge down the road if it is the cat's pajamas.
This is about expanding the B1G's geographic footprint to improve exposure and recruiting advantages.  An alliance does nothing to advance that goal, and in order for it to make financial sense, the B1G has to cut some of the "takers" from the P12.

I get the hesitancy with the state of California, but there aren't many moves left on the board, especially if the SEC will take FSU and Clemson, which I think they will at some point.


https://twitter.com/MarcRyanOnAir/status/1422255062185910274?s=19

I don't think the ACC falls apart because of the GOR, but I do wonder what it takes to dissolve the conference.  You could probably find a home for maybe 8 ACC schools between the B1G/SEC (UNC/UVA being the biggest prizes for the B1G).
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #201 on: August 03, 2021, 07:17:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2021, 10:24:58 AM
Maybe just the two private ones?
This would be a good compromise on the California situation.  USC is the real prize anyway, no doubt UCLA is more valuable athletically than Stanford, but academically I'm sure the president's would love to add Stanford.

You could also use that option as leverage to tell UCLA they can only come without Cal or we'll just go with Stanford/USC and be done adding in California.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #202 on: August 03, 2021, 07:37:18 AM »
The PAC-12 is not going to break up.  Such speculation is about as feasible as the PAC-12 poaching Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #203 on: August 03, 2021, 07:52:25 AM »
I would agree
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #204 on: August 03, 2021, 08:21:58 AM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on August 03, 2021, 06:44:33 AM
This is about expanding the B1G's geographic footprint to improve exposure and recruiting advantages.  An alliance does nothing to advance that goal, and in order for it to make financial sense, the B1G has to cut some of the "takers" from the P12.

I get the hesitancy with the state of California, but there aren't many moves left on the board, especially if the SEC will take FSU and Clemson, which I think they will at some point.


https://twitter.com/MarcRyanOnAir/status/1422255062185910274?s=19

I don't think the ACC falls apart because of the GOR, but I do wonder what it takes to dissolve the conference.  You could probably find a home for maybe 8 ACC schools between the B1G/SEC (UNC/UVA being the biggest prizes for the B1G).
I disagree. To me, this is about finding the best way to generate more revenue for the conference members without making any short-sighted, reactionary yet permanent decisions.

A scheduling agreement with the PAC does exactly that while biding time on the ACC GOR. If ACC is truly on shakey legs, then sure, be more aggressive in securing UVA, UNC, ND.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #205 on: August 03, 2021, 09:08:35 AM »
The term "alliance" may be the solution obviously instead of poaching and superconferences.  That can happen with no impact on GOR or anything else, just scheduling agreements and sharing TV rev.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #206 on: August 03, 2021, 09:37:24 AM »
I say grab USC, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona and Colorado.

You get LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Phoenix and Denver.

Done.

Divisions:

East

Rutgers
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois

West

Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
USC
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Colorado

Subdivisions:

East A

Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Purdue
Indiana

East B

Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Illinois
Northwestern

West A

Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Colorado

West B

USC
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #207 on: August 03, 2021, 10:25:04 AM »
Arizona doesn't get you Phoenix, it gets you Tucson. 

Big difference. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #208 on: August 03, 2021, 10:31:22 AM »
Plus Arizona State has the hottest talent.  That's who I'd go with.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #209 on: August 03, 2021, 10:32:53 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2021, 10:31:22 AM
Plus Arizona State has the hottest talent.  That's who I'd go with.
We have enough _______ states already.

ASU is not AAU, and they are about to get hammered by the NCAA.
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