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MikeDeTiger

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2024, 05:25:32 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on December 17, 2024, 05:12:25 PM
MDT: the "Werther Effect" (copycat suicide) is not new, and has been studied longer than social media has been a thing:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18082110/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7967741/

Sounds like we need to get rid of media then.  

If an increase in guns warrants a conversation about reducing guns, then an increase in media.....

I am literally for this, and I hereby rest my case.
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #85 on: December 17, 2024, 05:32:46 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on December 17, 2024, 04:45:55 PM
The feds aren't going to go door to door confiscating guns. Anything that is done will have to be incremental, and will only have incremental effects.
If they show up at my door to take mine, they better be really well armed because they are only taking my guns from my cold dead hands.  
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2024, 06:49:37 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on December 17, 2024, 04:26:54 PM
Y'all are so worked up with me because you know I'm a lefty (despite being a gun owner), that you've completely forgotten to tell CD that his system can't work because it would result in a giant database that tells the feds who owns all the guns, making it too easy for them (me, probably--crazy lefties in any case) to come confiscate them.
It works me up because if you'd have been a pitcher, you could make a minimum $10 Million as a lefty.
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2024, 11:12:07 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 17, 2024, 11:50:34 AM
A number of things that could loosely go in a bin labeled "Mental Health." 

Our gun laws (along with a bunch of other stuff) only work as intended with a sane and Western-valued population.  I'd argue both of those things are eroding and have demonstrable correlation over the time span Badger is talking about. 

What sort of mental health stuff are we talking about?
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2024, 11:13:04 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 17, 2024, 02:05:53 PM
Depends on where you live. In Illinois it is very hard to get a legal gun (and much easier to get one illegally).

Florida was harder when we moved here, but you still have a waiting period of 5 days for background check unless you have the gun permit (which we do). Now you no longer need a gun permit to conceal carry, which I don't like. Everyone should have some training at least.

It's weird to me that you have to get a lot of training to drive a car, but zero training to drive a boat.

Or to have a kid or to get married.

Lots of weird shit.
Sounds like gun control. 
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bayareabadger

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2024, 11:17:45 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on December 17, 2024, 03:54:49 PM
I would say another firearm use would be to prevent being killed by things.
That use only functions because you want to project you would kill someone. And the only way to make it concrete is to injure or kill them. 
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2024, 11:20:10 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on December 17, 2024, 04:38:00 PM
yeah.. it's not the people behind the firearm. Nope, it's simply the piece of metal. That's the problem.
So all we've got to do is fix people and we've got this solved, great!
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bayareabadger

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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #91 on: December 17, 2024, 11:21:04 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 17, 2024, 05:32:46 PM
If they show up at my door to take mine, they better be really well armed because they are only taking my guns from my cold dead hands. 
This fantasizing about killing cops could be a mediocre rap song. 
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2024, 02:56:49 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 17, 2024, 11:13:04 PM
Sounds like gun control.
You keep coming at me with that like a "gotcha!" moment.

When did I ever say that we didn't need controls, or guardrails?

Regardless, our biggest issue is illegal guns, and we know where most of those reside. Figure that one out because I can't.
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2024, 06:35:27 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 17, 2024, 11:17:45 PM
That use only functions because you want to project you would kill someone. And the only way to make it concrete is to injure or kill them.

Well, uh …. Yeah.  

Somebody is going to have to make a business decision.  

The hope is that the bad guy reevaluates his position.  Success rate is probably pretty high.  
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2024, 07:09:22 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 17, 2024, 11:21:04 PM
This fantasizing about killing cops could be a mediocre rap song.
or a good old fashioned 1960s country-western
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2024, 07:37:10 AM »
The number of guns in the US has gone up a lot while violent crime rates have come down a lot since about 1992.
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2024, 07:37:46 AM »
The percentage of HHs owning guns has trended down.  
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Re: keeping Madison in thoughts and prayers
« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2024, 07:42:56 AM »
1990s were the record high. 
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