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To a degree, I’ve become a nihilist about much of this. There isn’t a strongly majority taste for making guns more scarce or harder to get. There isn’t much way to force people to be hyper responsible en masse. They never have been and never will be.

And we have a society that both fetishizes some kinds of violence and perpetually overblows how much of a risk it is in daily lives. So folks will probably get shot senselessly somewhat often. You’d have to take out some of the major contributors to shift that, and I don’t think we really want to.

(there’s also obviously the constitutional right thing, which is its own sticky space)

You also said the government needs to have draconian penalties if you don’t. So someone else is helping.

Not helping me. Don't need it.

Something has to give here.

We've gone from 50 school shootings to 350 in TEN years. Problem!

To a degree, I’ve become a nihilist about much of this. There isn’t a strongly majority taste for making guns more scarce or harder to get. There isn’t much way to force people to be hyper responsible en masse. They never have been and never will be.

And we have a society that both fetishizes some kinds of violence and perpetually overblows how much of a risk it is in daily lives. So folks will probably get shot senselessly somewhat often. You’d have to take out some of the major contributors to shift that, and I don’t think we really want to.

(there’s also obviously the constitutional right thing, which is its own sticky space)

They are not "easy" to get, legally.

They fall into the wrong hands too often - mainly in places that have strict gun controls.

Weird stuff.

They are not "easy" to get, legally.

They fall into the wrong hands too often - mainly in places that have strict gun controls.

Weird stuff.

Doesn’t sound like they’re hard to get.

that again, the constitution literally says the default is you should be able to get them.

When I bought guns at a gun shop, I thought it was pretty easy.  The BG check took maybe 3 minutes.  I paid cash.  Showed state ID.  Done.

Every freedom in the BoR has limitations, 2A is no different.

When I bought guns at a gun shop, I thought it was pretty easy.  The BG check took maybe 3 minutes.  I paid cash.  Showed state ID.  Done.

Every freedom in the BoR has limitations, 2A is no different.

Yep. But the thumb on the scale usually falls toward freedom, or at least ideally it does. (Or at least that’s one where it tends to fall toward freedom for reasons. Others less so)

Guns are only part of the problem.  We have other societal factors most people don't care to talk about. 

Exactly this. I don't know, how about the erosion of families? Maybe, just maybe, tearing apart the idea of a classic family structure and allowing Hollywood, video games and the music industry make violence, drug dealing and crime and other things "sexy" has distorted the healthy view of reality?