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Topic: Joel Klatt's Pre-Season Top 25
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bayareabadger · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2023, 04:35:35 PM »

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That was a fun day.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2023, 04:42:12 PM »

Can't see tOSU getting no. 3/4 rankings with a new unproven QB

FearlessF · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2023, 04:48:43 PM »

well, their last 3 or 4 new unproven QBs have been pretty good

Mdot21 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2023, 04:49:47 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on August 07, 2023, 04:42:12 PM

Can't see tOSU getting no. 3/4 rankings with a new unproven QB

QB will be fine. Ryan Day = QB whisperer. It's the system, stupid.

Only issues I see with OSU is OL and Secondary. Gonna have to rebuild the OL a little bit with unproven tackles. If they aren't at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber- which I fail to see happening at a program like OSU....offense could bog down for stretches despite it's considerable talent at the skill positions.

Defense will be stout up front in the front 7. Comes down to their secondary improving and not giving up the huge pass play. Knowles seems to be from the Don Brown Dr Blitz river boat gambler style defense where he believes in pressure pressure pressure and leaves his corners and safeties on a lot of man to man islands- and unless you have a bunch of NFL DUDES that can really cover at a high level in man to man at both outside corner spots, AND the nickel spot, AND the dime spot, AND at both safety spots- well you're gonna give up massive pass plays vs the better offenses you face. And...basically no one in college ever has that.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2023, 10:54:54 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on August 07, 2023, 04:49:47 PM

QB will be fine. Ryan Day = QB whisperer. It's the system, stupid.

Only issues I see with OSU is OL and Secondary. Gonna have to rebuild the OL a little bit with unproven tackles. If they aren't at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber- which I fail to see happening at a program like OSU....offense could bog down for stretches despite it's considerable talent at the skill positions.

Defense will be stout up front in the front 7. Comes down to their secondary improving and not giving up the huge pass play. Knowles seems to be from the Don Brown Dr Blitz river boat gambler style defense where he believes in pressure pressure pressure and leaves his corners and safeties on a lot of man to man islands- and unless you have a bunch of NFL DUDES that can really cover at a high level in man to man at both outside corner spots, AND the nickel spot, AND the dime spot, AND at both safety spots- well you're gonna give up massive pass plays vs the better offenses you face. And...basically no one in college ever has that.

A few things on this:

First, I agree that the big questions for tOSU are OL and DB's. I would add keeping everyone healthy, I see that as a necessary consideration for every team every year.

I also agree with your take on the OT's, tOSU needs, as you put it, "at least serviceable B1G start-able caliber guys." They don't necessarily need to be among the best in the league but they need to not be among the worst.

Secondary has been the weakness of tOSU's defenses for a few years. Against Michigan, for example, the front seven performed well enough to force a ton of short gains, TFL's, and three-and-outs but when that didn't happen the secondary didn't make the tackle at 10-20 yards, instead it was off to the races.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2023, 11:27:47 AM »

Everybody has some soft spots.

FearlessF · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2023, 11:35:35 AM »

some more than others
some spots softer than others

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 08, 2023, 12:14:17 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 08, 2023, 11:35:35 AM

some more than others
some spots softer than others

And more glaring differences. Ohio State last year:

Offense one of the best in the country.
Defense one of the best in the country at forcing three-and-outs.
Defense one if the worst in the country at allowing 40+ plays.

It is glaring because look at the damage, from The Game:

FG set up by 33 yard pass on 3rd and 8.
TD a 69 yard pass on 3rd and 9.
TD a 75 yard pass on 1st and 10.
TD a 45 yard pass on 1st and 10.
TD a 75 yard run on 1st and 10.
TD an 85 yard run on 3rd and 3.

38 of Michigan's 45 points were the result of really long plays. Eliminate 1/3 of those and it is a one-score game late. Eliminate 1/2 and it is tied or within less than a TD late.
Eliminate 2/3 and tOSU is milking a late lead.

Another way to look at it:
In the first 3.5 quarters Michigan's rushing stats were:

28 carries.
81 yards.
2.9 average.
19 yard long.

Those aren't generally winning numbers for a team as reliant on rushing as Michigan but it worked out for them because when they weren't running into a wall they were bombing it over the wall for long TD's.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2023, 12:15:45 PM »

The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?

Mdot21 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 08, 2023, 12:37:09 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 08, 2023, 12:15:45 PM

The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?

don't think it's a lack of pass rush. Jim Knowles loves the rush, his defensive scheme seems to me like it's very similar to the school of Don Brown. Dude is all about pressure pressure pressure, he wants to blitz the shit out of the QB- which leaves DBs and LBs in man to man coverage more often than they should be- that works great when you're up 28+ points bc you're offense is scoring at will and vs 90% of the schedule that can't match up- but against the better teams with the better defenses that can slow down your offense a bit and vs the better QBs/OLs and WRs/TEs- well you're going to give up HUGE plays and not have the comfort of being up 40 at half time like you are vs most the teams you played all year.

Great scheme for your defense over powering and bludgeoning 90% of the teams on your schedule to a pulp. Don Brown would do this every year- then the 2-3 teams he faced a year that could actually counter it would rip his ass to complete shreds and hit huge pass play after huge pass play. Needless to say not a fan of that style defense in college.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2023, 02:44:02 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 08, 2023, 12:15:45 PM

The Dawgs had that long pass play to get them back into it also, the defender slipped. How much of this is lack of pass rush?

I really don't think that is the issue because in watching the games, most of the long passes that tOSU gave up weren't 40+ yard passes, they were short and intermediate passes that became long gains due to a missed tackle, bad pursuit angle, or other mistake in the secondary.

Michigan's first TD is a great example:

1st and 10, Edwards held to 2.
2nd and 8, Edwards pushed back a yard.
3rd and 9, ~6 yard pass play with a tOSU defender in position to simply escort the WR out of bounds for a 4th and ~3 punt.

As good as Michigan's Oline and RB's were, that was a great performance by the tOSU front 7 on 1st and 2nd and, as I see it, pass rush is generally a nonfactor on a pass that short. Actually, to the extent that it WAS a factor, it accomplished what it wanted to, it helped prevent Michigan from throwing far enough for the first down so I'm giving the tOSU front 7 an A+ for the series. They did everything asked of them.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #39 on:** August 08, 2023, 02:58:15 PM »

Yeah, that wouldn't be pass rush related. I don't recall whether OSU got pressure on Bennett, but he tended to be pretty elusive anyway.

Both QBs were 23 for 34 in that game, Bennett had one INT.

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