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Right, I've seen it. Solely relying on whether that box is checked is IMO pretty shoddy reporting, given how easy it could have been to fact check. I've seen thousands of police reports and would not rely solely on those boxes over the other information in the report.

Is it common for police reports to change 3 years after incidents? I’m asking out of ignorance. If I obtained a police report, I would never think it was inaccurate, but that’s so out of the realm of my daily life that I’m not sure what’s common and uncommon.

Is it common for police reports to change 3 years after incidents? I’m asking out of ignorance. If I obtained a police report, I would never think it was inaccurate, but that’s so out of the realm of my daily life that I’m not sure what’s common and uncommon.

That has been my expectation too. If a police officer, defense lawyer or prosecutor says otherwise though (basically that these files are often not trustworthy), then I'll agree that McMurphy could have done more to vet it. But even then, if normal folks outside the justice system don't know it, is it reasonable to expect journalists to?

Is it common for police reports to change 3 years after incidents? I’m asking out of ignorance. If I obtained a police report, I would never think it was inaccurate, but that’s so out of the realm of my daily life that I’m not sure what’s common and uncommon.

Probably not, though that's not the full report nor the part that people would normally pay great attention to. There is typically multiple pages, including a summary of events. My understanding is that the Powell police are refusing to release that (though trying to follow that part of it has been difficult). Those boxes are part of a computer program, the cop has to go through a lot of them, and its not unheard of for mistakes to be made on them.
To be clear, I'm not accusing McMurphy of anything underhanded. I understand why he reported what he did. However, it would be pretty unusual for someone to be arrested on felony charges and no follow up in a court database to exist, which should have prompted McMurphy to check it a little harder.

Probably not, though that's not the full report nor the part that people would normally pay great attention to. There is typically multiple pages, including a summary of events. My understanding is that the Powell police are refusing to release that (though trying to follow that part of it has been difficult). Those boxes are part of a computer program, the cop has to go through a lot of them, and its not unheard of for mistakes to be made on them.
To be clear, I'm not accusing McMurphy of anything underhanded. I understand why he reported what he did. However, it would be pretty unusual for someone to be arrested on felony charges and no follow up in a court database to exist, which should have prompted McMurphy to check it a little harder.

I don’t think I’m understanding correctly. So he should have followed up harder, but people who subsequently followed up were refused the summary of events? Again, ignorance on my part and I’m asking more to learn.
Would a Sports reporter normally know what to ask for?

I don't think this statement is correct.
McMurphy claims it's because of him. His report and firing came within hours of each other, and both just days after they both received notification of Civil protection Order. I still think it was the release of the civil order (because of the criminal trespassing conviction) 11 Warriors and Columbus Dispatch were also reporting on the criminal trespass. This wasn't going to get covered up, even if Urban/OSU wanted to.
I am now in the camp the McMurphy is looking for scalps. After OSU released their finding, he is still calling for Urbans head to the point of misquoting the findings the university released.
https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/brett-mcmurphy-talks-ohio-state-press-conference-result-urban-meyer/
The quote starts off with "In the course of our review..." we found all this shitty stuff.
McMurphy in the interview alters the quote to be "Urban knew about..." all this shitty stuff.
I think Urban had blinders on concerning Zach, I think he and Gene Smith blurred the line on what they should have done and what was done. I'm ok with suspension. (Pet peeve is that Urban's 3 weeks suspension ends up being 7 weeks, while Gene's is an actual 3, but that could just be petteyness on my part.)
Courtney Smith doesn't seem stable. I'm glad she is out of the abusive relationship.
Zach Smith is a POS. I think he lied, repeatedly to Urban, (and Gene.) An Urban didn't see through the lies, or had blinders on.
I'm ready to be done with this and for Football to start. 7 days till OSU beats OSU!

You are correct, that statement is so far from accurate.  And that’s my point here.
For Dudekd, look long and hard for evidence that I think ZS got a raw deal.  Ok, now that you see that never happened, I will summarize my position for you, which your false statement in Ty’s post proves:
- Zack is a total Douche.
- Meyer gave him too many second and third chances for the things he KNEW such as the strip club, being late for practice, and texting BS with the Nebraska coach. Should have canned him long ago
-Meyer was not putting winning first, he was being too loyal.  Nothing about losing Zack would be a concern about winning going forward. He egotistically thought he could fix Zack.
- it is clear the the OSU camp did not believe the DV claims, and had reasons such as whatever they could get from the police, and personal witnesses accounts. That is also why Meyer didn’t feel like apologizing to CS, why should he apologize to a person that is trying to destroy him, and who had been heard to say that according to three witnesses?
-Meyer was not addressing the question at Big Ten Media days, he was addressing the false report about the 15 incident being an arrest.  He even texted Smith and Emig the night before and had to be refreshed on what they found when they IMMEDIATELY went to the police afterwards to learn more.
-Meyer deleted potential evidence.  Grounds for termination in my book.
-after the 15 incident, which was told to Smith and Meyer from their Title IX officer, they discussed it, reported it to HR and monitored the situation.
-they did not report it to compliance, because it was a law matter not an NCAA matter. IMHO- that is a reasonable conclusion for a coach, but not an AD.
The reporting on this by McMurphy was mostly factual, but very misleading. His desire to hold back information, and his reaction to the aftermath and apology, prove that.he, or nobody can claim with credibility, at least to me, that his intentions were to find the truth. His intentions have always been to find parts of the truth, and report it in a way, and synchronized, to ensure it put Meyer in the worst possible light.
The national media, fed by our outrageous and current PC/ mob mentality took the bate hook, line and sinker. They stumbled over themselves to illustrate outrage over DV that may not have even happened.
This is fueled by our societies’ penchant for bringing down the successful, and by CFB’s vitriolic mentality which means jump on the enemy every chance you get. Fans of every major school, including OSU have biases. The OSU side are greatly outnumbered by the non fans playing lynch mob, and the fans of other schools and conferences.
Nobody believes in due diligence and process anymore.  Someone claims they were a victim, and if it has certain hot button issues such as DV, the media become judge and jury through social media.
All of us hope we would benefit from due process, but when we want to see the other guy burn, the hell with fairness.
ZS is a POS and deserves to be burned at the stake.
Meyer deleted potential evidence, and kept ZS around due to loyalty.
The false narrative that prevails is that Meyer covered up and lied about a person he knew to be a DVer, and, that somehow due to this, someone suffered more than they otherwise would have.
That false narrative is what I most object to.  


Edited to add this.  I wish I was an artful writer, as she says it better in her last paragraph.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2018/08/95635/ohio-state-center-commit-harry-millers-mother-a-domestic-abuse-survivor-voices-support-for-urban-meyer
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HB - there’s parts of your take that I’m really trying to understand but I can’t make click in my head.

The false narrative that Meyer covered up and lied for ZS, but then proceed to call ZS a POS. I simply don’t understand how you can claim he’s a POS but think Meyer didn’t cover for him. Take DV out for a second. I think that’s you’re sticking point. Are you assuming everyone thinks Meyer knew about the DV and was protecting it? If so, I think you’re misunderstanding some of the general outrage here.

Speaking for myself, I think Meyer covered ZS’s scummy activities, besides DV.

Lastly, how is it clear that the OSU Camp doesn’t believe the abuse claims? What factual evidence helped you get there. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just looking how you connected the dots to that vs they were turning a blind eye ha they didn’t believe it happened.