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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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TyphonInc

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #392 on: August 06, 2018, 04:09:10 PM »
At this moment my personal opinion is:

Zach Smith is a POS. An Alcoholic. And what may have been intended as self defense/restraining measures went too far and became a pattern of abuse.

Courtney Smith is a victim of abuse. She feels cornered, has children and herself to think of and the almoniey is now gone. 

Shelley Meyer had good intentions in an extremely complicated potential abuse situation.

Urban Meyer followed the "letter of the law" but had blinders on when it came Zach. I don't think it should cost him his job, but I do hope the Meyers go on a crusade to bring awareness and prevention to abuse.

Gene Smith I have questions. Who does he report to? The Office of Compliance? The University President? Did he follow protocol?

Powell Police Department I have questions? Why aren't they releasing the reports(s) filed while at the Smith residence?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #393 on: August 06, 2018, 04:32:27 PM »
Plenty,why not come out with this when the divorce is final?Why ask McMurphy to pay her for an interview if she's simply trying to give her side at seemingly a strange time?
It's really not a strange time.  Ex-husband fired in very high profile position.  Reporters (McMurphy) start digging, find out about the reason for the firing and then continue digging, by going to Courtney for the "dirt"
This was probably not her idea in any way shape or form.  This was triggered by the WR coach's firing.  Not by an ex-wife with her hand out for $$$ or motivated by revenge.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #394 on: August 06, 2018, 04:41:37 PM »
It's really not a strange time.  Ex-husband fired in very high profile position.  Reporters (McMurphy) start digging, find out about the reason for the firing and then continue digging, by going to Courtney for the "dirt"
This was probably not her idea in any way shape or form.  This was triggered by the WR coach's firing.  Not by an ex-wife with her hand out for $$$ or motivated by revenge.
sound possible, maybe even likely.
i also read that she attempted to sell the story to mcmurphy. but that was on here, i think, so no verification of that at all.
i've basically had my head in sand since friday with regards to this story. from what i've gathered the last few pages, the story has shifted a decent amount. correct me if i'm wrong:
urban is now thought to have passed the info along to superiors, though not 100% certain yet, yes? even still, some consider this not enough (not necessarily disagreeing with that thought). sounds like, if above is true, most think urban is safe, but still has some retributions to pay (likely in form of charity of some kind).

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #395 on: August 06, 2018, 04:57:17 PM »
1. Plenty,why not come out with this when the divorce is final?

2. Why ask McMurphy to pay her for an interview if she's simply trying to give her side at seemingly a strange time?

3. Perhaps greasing the skids for a payday against The University or it's arrogant coach?

4. There's a big assumption that Zach Smith is 100% of the marital problem,even if he's 70% of the problem that other 30% coming from a "victim" can be preemptive and provocative.
1. If she's dependent on his child support, coming out with this when the divorce is finalized not only punishes him [loses his job] but that lost job punishes her and her kids. 
1a. There's also a well-known psychological issue that happens in a lot of abuse cases, where the victim has internalized that it's their own fault, or is ashamed of it, etc. Maybe she was just so relieved that the marriage was over that she wanted to put it behind her--until he continued abusing her.
2. Maybe she's scared of where her income is going to come from now that he's been fired? 
3. On what grounds? Because she's neither an employee or student it sounds like she can't sue them for anything related to Title IX. She's going to sue them for protecting him and keeping him employed, but only decides to sue after they fired him? I realize you're not a lawyer; neither am I. But if you can't articulate any legal grounds for a lawsuit, I find this hard to entertain. It sounds like wild speculation on your part. 
4. Nobody has assumed that, that I'm aware of. I believe based on what we've seen, most people in this thread believe that he was physically abusive to her. That doesn't mean that she's a saint. In fact, she might be more than 50% of the problem. She might be terribly emotionally abusive, "pressing his buttons" until he gets physical in rage. I'm not going to make an assumption either way on any of that. My gut tells me that if she eventually filed for divorce, she might not be the "make him mad until he hits me and then he'll treat me nice because he's sorry" type, but that's not really material to this situation right now, is it? Not sure why that makes a difference here or leads to your "skepticism"? 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #396 on: August 06, 2018, 05:04:36 PM »
Plenty,why not come out with this when the divorce is final?Why ask McMurphy to pay her for an interview if she's simply trying to give her side at seemingly a strange time?Perhaps greasing the skids for a payday against The University or it's arrogant coach?There's a big assumption that Zach Smith is 100% of the marital problem,even if he's 70% of the problem that other 30% coming from a "victim" can be preemptive and provocative.I'm not certain on the Earle Bruce story from her driving all the way down to Florida to ask Courtney not to divorce or press charges - Really?Because unless Zach Smith confirms this Earle is presently unavailable for comment
Per a McMurphy interview, timing came because he got tipped off and reached out to her. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #397 on: August 06, 2018, 05:05:37 PM »
My statement would have been simple:  Zach Smith is no longer with my staff, he has been released.  I am not going to take questions related to this matter, it is a private matter at this point, and I am here to discuss the upcoming football season, the players, and games.  

Would have saved a lot of trouble!
It sure would have.  PR is just not natural to most people.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #398 on: August 06, 2018, 05:07:00 PM »
Did it ever get reported beyond Gene Smith and Urban Meyer? What are OSU's guidelines on where it needs to be reported?
Or did they just "handle it" internally?
Because if it's the latter, I think his goose is still cooked.
I'm not so sure of that.  In a practical sense, I think you are right because in a practical sense Gene Smith isn't really Urban's "Boss" in the normal sense.  In the legal world of Urban's potential wrongful termination suit though, Gene is Urban's boss and that is all there is to it.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #399 on: August 06, 2018, 05:07:25 PM »
That's the kind of judgment call that seems 100% tied to how strong they see Meyer's unlawful termination suit
I was thinking the exact same thing.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #400 on: August 06, 2018, 05:09:14 PM »
I said up thread that the victim has nothing to do with Urban's fate

from the texts and pics and Zach's own words it's difficult to think she is not a victim of abuse

doesn't matter what type of person she is or what her intentions or motives are regarding Urban

what does matter to Urban is what Urban's intentions and motives were regarding the victim and her Ex-husband, Urban's employee

She could be crazy or a terrible person, that's not the question here.

The question is:  Is Head Coach Urban Meyer a selfish and terrible person who's motivation was to protect his assistant coach and therefore protect his football program
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #401 on: August 06, 2018, 05:31:24 PM »


Again - the boatload of evidence between texts,pictures,sealed police reports.Why wait until 2016 to bring the hammer down.A friend of mine got cleaned out and he and his wife had 5 children.He never laid a finger on her,yet she got everything.Maybe she and Courtney should exchange numbers.If things were that bad and they very well could have been,why not remove your children 1st and foremost?Appears she had a comfortable case along time ago,that's the case your presenting,not the remote chance what so ever she could be sticking around angling for more money?Prudence demands she get the kids out of there and file charges which she didn't do for a very long time.If Smith did even half of that I honestly hope he meets frontier justice.And they can send Urban back to the booth for all I care either.Anyway maybe we should toss back some of your homebrews and hope for divine intervention
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #402 on: August 06, 2018, 05:50:56 PM »
Dude,

Wasn't even her idea to talk to the media

was McMurphy who went to her
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #403 on: August 06, 2018, 05:51:35 PM »
Anyway maybe we should toss back some of your homebrews and hope for divine intervention
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #404 on: August 06, 2018, 08:41:00 PM »
Dude,

Wasn't even her idea to talk to the media

was McMurphy who went to her
Sorry FF just repeating what some peeps at the World Wide Leader said Saturday.Anyway if tOSU is going to get a black eye I'd prefer a Pirate with a patch(Leach) to a Pope(Urban) - with a Pirate at least you know what ya have
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #405 on: August 06, 2018, 08:46:14 PM »
Meanwhile: For all the shade Gene and Urban are getting, I couldn't be more impressed with how the university *seems* to be handling this. They sensed a serious and uncertain situation, began immediately with administrative leave, quickly formed a credible group of investigators, half of which are true outsiders, and have promised the public its report. 

We can only throw our hands up wondering why PSU and MSU couldn't responded so sanely. These are never times for circling the wagons.

 

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