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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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TyphonInc

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #322 on: August 05, 2018, 09:15:48 AM »
Ramzy is taking bath for his twitter comment "Literally everybody knew. I knew. I wrote around it for six years."

I find it awkward that fired, POS Zach Smith is defending Urban.

I also poor that Shelley seemed to be the biggest "big player supporter" of Courtney getting help/leaving (we don't get to see the minutia, maybe others supported her better.) But Courtney speaks out agsint her for not helping her more.

I haven't been a Gene Smith fan since the Tressel debacle. If as reports are coming out that he got the police report, informed Meyer, called Zach off a recruiting trip to talk to him, but no action came out of it....

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #323 on: August 05, 2018, 10:36:09 AM »
MDoT - a lot of this is being said thru social media - I couldn't access the Dispatch article.No charges filed. the police did NOT arrest Smith.What is Meyer/School supposed to fire him for? No Doubt Zach Smith Probably did most of this,the problem arises when Courtney - if she had all the evidence you're caterwauling about - wanted it both ways.She laid the onus of their toxic relationship ay Urbans feet as she still wanted Zach's alimony.She had the police reports sealed for what reason?She didn't come forward until Zach got sacked.We are not talking poor people here they've had an income for quite some time that would allow for a comfortable separation.Also McMurphy admitted Courtney wanted money for the interview but says he didn't pony up.We've ascertained what Courtney is now they're just haggling at her price.As I said 1st off the children are the only victims here.I really,really hope this goes to court,there are cards not being shown.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/94915/breaking-down-urban-meyers-statement-zach-smiths-radio-appearance
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #324 on: August 05, 2018, 10:50:18 AM »
It’s not incredibly surprising the victim didn’t want the only income provider for the family and children to lose his job, yet wanted to find safety away from the abuse. I don’t think that automatically makes her a money chaser.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #325 on: August 05, 2018, 10:56:06 AM »
Honest question then if the circumstances were that dire why subject the children to it for how many years.Again I'm not cheering for Zach,Urban or tOSU but she had recourse and apparently didn't choose appropriately.If anybody in C-Bus is that tainted then drain the swamp.The big fly in the ointment for Buckeye fans is Urban fudging the facts at Media Days.Even if he is 100% forthcoming after that.Not certain but IMO I think Gene Smith has a lot of stink attached to himself here
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #326 on: August 05, 2018, 11:20:44 AM »
To very public, powerful people, appearances can be important. When your husband works for one of the best football coaches in history and even your parents are telling you to keep quiet and stay, it’s probably not easy to leave. Add on that the emotional state of being abused and a lot of it can be understood.

Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t think this woman is Mother Theresa. She clearly has issues as well, but it’s tough to determine if that’s due to abuse or she’s a nut job. Maybe both?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #327 on: August 05, 2018, 11:30:54 AM »
Good Post .Again if Gene Smith & UFM have to be taken out with the rubbish this week - so be it.Because of what happened to Tressel I gotta think Urbz reported this up and washed his hands of it - not wanting to make a bad situation worse for former friends - The Smiths

I stole this from another poster but sort of agree

I understand that people want to vilify Meyer for not telling the truth to the media last week, but he’s not under any obligation to tell the media anything. What he told the school is what mattered. Media isn’t owed anything.

Meyer didn't cover this up but he also wasn't going to put the Smith's personal life on full display for the media it raises the question, why did she have the records sealed then? She sealed them so he wouldn't lose his job by them going public but now says he should have been fired.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2018, 11:32:43 AM by MrNubbz »
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #328 on: August 05, 2018, 11:41:02 AM »
This situation mostly increases my disdain for the "sports media" these days, not that it had much lower to go in my view.

Before many key facts were available, many were already calling for his scalp.  It was obvious we didn't, and still don't, have all the facts.  Why not outline what is known and steer clear of the editorializing I've seen so many places?

Yes, it's August, and a slow period for sports news, but many of these calls for his head I find very "premature" and immature.

I'll have an opinion when the facts, most of them at least, are in the public domain.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #329 on: August 05, 2018, 12:04:12 PM »
It's the only time that I can recall myself feeling even slightly sympathetic for UFM
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #330 on: August 05, 2018, 12:09:19 PM »
Whenever I see people besiege "the media," I'm reminded we are a people that always want things to be easy. "The media" is not a thing, other than a vague idea we can feel distain for. Was the whole of sports media, in unison calling for the man's head? I don't think so. There was some, to be sure. There was a lot of wondering if it would topple him. We often see the wondering as something far more because it is our nature to react with wild swings. There's 11 fraught pages here. Even folks waiting for the facts to come out are hardly sanguine. They're often aggressive in their own ways.'

There's something that feels right about pointing out that Meyer doesn't owe "the media" and explanation. Who are these people, other than those who inform the public at large? And who is he, other than the one of the highest paid public employees in the country, who gave a $400,000 job to a man who was apparently having issues with sobriety, doing his job well and occasionally getting the cops called on him by a woman with bruises. In some ways, Urban owes his vast fortune and powerful position to "the media." Without such an arm, college football lacks the conduit to become a national money-making machine. 

As for the facts coming out, it is fair to wait, as long as one also acknowledges there's a high chance most of this won't get public (and almost no chance without that dreaded "media"). Chances are, we'll know something but far from everything. We'll see what the school does, and put faith or doubt in institutions from there. It's odd, the biggest "fact" that will happen rests in the hands of Gene Smith and his bosses. And then some people will go back to trusting the man, others will lob this at him out of spite, and in truth, we should probably be a hint more skeptical after this than before, which is to say we should be plenty skeptical already. 

(Someone above mentioned Ramzy taking a bath over not reporting Smith was a "S@!$@Lord, despite the sense he was. The thing is, most fans don't want rocks thrown at heroes. Most coaches are by nature not nice people. They are usually ultra-competitive absentee fathers and husbands who are masters are turning on charms to get what they want. The often unwind in massive ways, befitting a high-stress job. There are plenty of players who are not on the up and up, many more than you'd think. And while those things might be true, they're not things that in our hearts we'd like to know)

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #331 on: August 05, 2018, 12:15:01 PM »
Some of the immediate calls for Meyer's head when almost nothing was verified I found very distasteful, and I'm not a Meyer or Ohio State fan.  Folks just rushed to pile on, without facts.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #332 on: August 05, 2018, 12:16:12 PM »
I should also add, our reaction to media leans toward the edges because for whatever reason, we're drawn to things that confirm our opinions/excite us or to things that make us angry. Probably more to the latter than the former. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #333 on: August 05, 2018, 12:22:13 PM »
I have no dog in this thing at all.  I am merely commenting on how many sites had folks calling for his head when almost nothing was known, and what was "known" was unverified.

And yes, we as consumers cause this, it's what we want, and they (the media) pander to it to garner clicks.

An unsensational "just the facts" site would not get much attention.


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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #334 on: August 05, 2018, 12:27:30 PM »
It's usually the mass viewership not mass media that drives football salaries.If TV's are turned off funds dry up.Commentary on such is window dressing and a pittance in comparison.Just look how readership around forums drops in the off season
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #335 on: August 05, 2018, 12:34:50 PM »
Exactly - which makes nearly all criticisms of the media or news or online comments, etc should simply be criticisms into a mirror.  

We the people are the unhinged, quick-to-attack problem.  We are the absurd comments section.  We're taken advantage of by advertisers, pollsters, and such because we allow ourselves to be.  Prudence isn't popular.  Validity is largely irrelevant - it's now a matter of who can persuade the most mouth-breathers in the shortest amount of time.  Who can sway the approval of the mindless masses.

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