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Topic: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct

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Hawkinole

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Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« on: September 24, 2019, 02:25:32 PM »
https://dailyiowan.com/2019/09/23/safety-measures-must-improve-before-iowa-plays-another-cy-hawk-game-university-of-iowa-president-says/

At or outside the Jack Trice Stadium, one Iowa band member suffered fx ribs. A female band member was groped by an Iowa State fan. Complaints were made. The two athletic directors consulted, then with little comment said they were closing their investigation. It appeared they were papering over it and not telling the public what happened. Hawkeye Marching Band members took them to task on social media, stating specifics what happened to some members.

The presidents of the universities became involved, and the president of the U of Iowa is suggesting Iowa may not play Iowa State next season without some type of negotiations concerning player, band, and student safety including use of security forces to assure safety.

I don't suspect that given the money involved  the president of the university is truly serious about shutting down the rivalry. I would like to see this rivalry reduced. I don't regard it as one of Iowa's big rivalry games. The Iowa State people do regard it as such. As I get older I am more nostalgic for Iowa-Notre Dame, and other big name programs that used to be on Iowa's schedule. I don't think Iowa should justify the Iowa State program by giving them a game every year. This game would seem more worthwhile if played less. And, now there is talk of terminating the game as it was terminated for 40+ years in the 1930s due to fan misconduct.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 02:29:28 PM »
the president of the U would need to go through the Governor to not play the game

but, I suppose it's possible
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 10:15:50 PM »
Not a perfect solution but schools should just leave the band at home for all away games except for bowl games.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 10:27:12 PM »
I look forward to that game, but am not a fan of either team. So my opinion is not particularly relevant. 

Truth be told I've always been kinda jealous of the teams that get to have a fixed out of conference rivalry. 

As such I find it kind of infuriating when teams have a perfect one all served up on a silver platter, and then refuse to play it. Like Nebraska-Oklahoma. Or Texas-aTm. 

I'm sure that they all have what they would consider to be "good reasons" to not play it, but I hate it nonetheless. 
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 10:29:18 PM »
I look at this game as one that Iowa should absolutely want to play.  Why wouldn't the 2 P5 schools from the same state not want to play each other?  It is such a natural rivalry, it makes perfect sense to play every year.

The games that Iowa need to scale back are the Miami-Ohio and MTSU type games.  The MTSU game this week just seems weird after Iowa has already play 2 P5 schools this year.  By now the cupcakes should be gone from the schedule, especially since Iowa got a bye last week.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019, 10:30:03 PM »
DES MOINES, Iowa —
Anheuser-Busch announced Tuesday that it will cut ties with Carson King, the Iowa State fan who has raised over $1 million for the University of Iowa Stead Family Children’s Hospital, over multiple offensive social media posts he made.

King held a press conference Tuesday to discuss a controversial post. He said a reporter with the Des Moines Register called attention to an offensive social media post he made when he was 16 years old.


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“Eight years ago, when I was a sophomore in high school, I made some social media posts with my friends that quoted and referenced the show ‘Tosh.0,’ King said. “One of those posts was brought to my attention by a member of the media today.”

In a statement to KCCI, Anheuser-Busch said, “Carson King had multiple social media posts that do not align with our values as a brand or as a company and we will have no further association with him. We are honoring our commitment by donating more than $350,000 to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics.”



https://www.kcci.com/article/anheuser-busch-to-cut-ties-with-carson-king-over-multiple-offensive-social-media-posts/29216988?fbclid=IwAR082n2oGlGKHhwzapNZwxbBfPKu0B4grg1VYwEow2YACDwBJv09Vk3uut4#
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2019, 10:32:04 PM »
I was under the impression that unruly conduct MADE a rivalry.  Hmmph.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019, 10:33:58 PM »
If Iowa just gave up 1 home game once every 6 years, it could play another decent P5 team OOC once every 3 years in a home and home series.  And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up that extra home game.  2024.  Iowa's cross-overs in 2024 are Rut, MD and Indy.  Meanwhile ISU, Wisc, NW, and Neb play in Iowa City that year.  It's the perfect year to play a quality OOC team on the road.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 12:27:45 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on September 24, 2019, 10:33:58 PM
If Iowa just gave up 1 home game once every 6 years, it could play another decent P5 team OOC once every 3 years in a home and home series.  And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up that extra home game.  2024.  Iowa's cross-overs in 2024 are Rut, MD and Indy.  Meanwhile ISU, Wisc, NW, and Neb play in Iowa City that year.  It's the perfect year to play a quality OOC team on the road.
There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame. What other name brand would play Iowa in Chicago one time? There was no mention of a return event at a pro-stadium elsewhere in the USA. I checked ND's schedule to confirm my suspicion and both schools have Sept. 21 open. Of course, I am speculating, but what other big-named school would play Iowa in Chicago, and there would be no regional return trip? FSU played Iowa State at Arrowhead in one of those kick-off classic type games, and Iowa State didn't return to Jacksonville or Orlando, but this is not one of those types of kick-off events.

I suppose you could look at the military academies, but why would they not play home and home?
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019, 12:39:00 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 24, 2019, 10:32:04 PM
I was under the impression that unruly conduct MADE a rivalry.  Hmmph.
Perhaps other types of unruly conduct contribute, but sexual assault and assaults causing fx ribs to band members do not contribute to a rivalry. They detract from civility.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019, 01:14:45 AM »
The vast majority of programs have scheduled their major non-con games at least through 2025 (if not 2030) or so, so cancelling games before then wouldn't allow Iowa (or Iowa State) to schedule any higher profile programs instead. For example, Michigan has its upcoming series with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma through 2027, but there aren't even that many high-profile options left for 2028 and 2029 (Tennessee, Texas A&M, California, and Virginia being among the best, as bad as that sounds..... Potentially Notre Dame again, though).
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019, 01:22:33 AM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on September 25, 2019, 01:14:45 AM
The vast majority of programs have scheduled their major non-con games at least through 2025 (if not 2030) or so, so cancelling games before then wouldn't allow Iowa (or Iowa State) to schedule any higher profile programs instead. For example, Michigan has its upcoming series with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma through 2027, but there aren't even that many high-profile options left for 2028 and 2029 (Tennessee, Texas A&M, California, and Virginia being among the best, as bad as that sounds..... Potentially Notre Dame again, though).
Iowa and ND have an opening in 2024. 30-50 years ago, Iowa scheduled 10-years out, but no longer do they schedule that far ahead.

But I understand now what you are saying if the ISU v. Iowa game were to be canceled in 2020. Iowa could probably schedule a game, but not against a P-5, and probably would have to find an FCS team. Last season after Iowa State was lighteninged out of a game against Akron, I think, they scheduled Drake, an FCS nonscholarship program, in November, and nearly lost the game in a monsoon.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019, 08:02:49 AM »
The interesting thing is wasn't the Notre Dame-Iowa series cancelled because of dirty play by Notre Dame?  Maybe it was a blatant fake injury late in a game that allowed ND to score a winning TD?  Can't remember the exact details.

Also interesting that back in the 50's and 60's, Illinois refused to play Iowa for 15 years because of something the Iowa fans did.  Not sure what.  It's all before my time so I am fuzzy on the details.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2019, 08:21:44 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on September 25, 2019, 12:27:45 AM
There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame. What other name brand would play Iowa in Chicago one time? There was no mention of a return event at a pro-stadium elsewhere in the USA. I checked ND's schedule to confirm my suspicion and both schools have Sept. 21 open. Of course, I am speculating, but what other big-named school would play Iowa in Chicago, and there would be no regional return trip? FSU played Iowa State at Arrowhead in one of those kick-off classic type games, and Iowa State didn't return to Jacksonville or Orlando, but this is not one of those types of kick-off events.

I suppose you could look at the military academies, but why would they not play home and home?

This is not "official" information, rather rumor I've heard enough to believe, but apparently Iowa tried to make a ND @ Soldier game work a few years ago. Barta asked Pollard for a small break from the series to make it happen, Pollard threatened to sue, the deal fell through. ND then scheduled Wisconsin.

Could Barta finally do the math to realize Iowa can give up a scrub home game for a big neutral site game? Perhaps, but his long-standing excuses haven't wavered previously. Iowa does have ISU at home in 2024, which I think would be a minimum requirement for giving up the 3rd home OOC.
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