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Topic: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2019, 10:18:44 PM »
I am assuming that you mean 2021 and 2029, and not 1921 and 1929?
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2019, 10:24:02 PM »
My Dad credits the 1959 upset with turning that game into one OU would begin to notice.  They snapped OUs billion game conference winning streak,  then hired Devaney a few years later. 

A lot of reverence for each other, and that was true while it was a big deal, not just in retrospect.   That's why about 99% of Nebraska fans were incensed at Billy Cs comments when he called some OU fans f ing hillbillies. 

I don't think it will ever be an annual affair, but I'd sign up for twice every 10 years.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2019, 10:43:20 PM »
I am assuming that you mean 2021 and 2029, and not 1921 and 1929?
Ay-yi-yi!

I'm a history teacher, Brutus.  It's a daily struggle to keep myself in the right century!

I apologize for hijacking this Iowa thread.

I too enjoy the Iowa-Iowa State rivalry, even though our team from Iowa usually comes out the loser.  In-state P5 teams from different conferences should err on the side of playing each other more rather than less, IMO.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2019, 10:51:52 PM »
I'm glad they play.  I almost always watch it, and you'd be damn sure I wouldn't watch them play somebody else from the MAC or other nonP5.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2019, 11:37:21 PM »
Perhaps other types of unruly conduct contribute, but sexual assault and assaults causing fx ribs to band members do not contribute to a rivalry. They detract from civility.
Well we're in 2019 where those things actually get reported now.  Think of the deluge of nastiness that transpired over the years that never got headlines.....
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2019, 11:48:36 PM »
The interesting thing is wasn't the Notre Dame-Iowa series cancelled because of dirty play by Notre Dame?  Maybe it was a blatant fake injury late in a game that allowed ND to score a winning TD?  Can't remember the exact details.

Also interesting that back in the 50's and 60's, Illinois refused to play Iowa for 15 years because of something the Iowa fans did.  Not sure what.  It's all before my time so I am fuzzy on the details.
Indirectly the Fainting Irish game of 1953 I suspect that was the catalytic converter for ending the series. Games were scheduled out about 10-20 years. The last game in the series was 1968. Forest Evashevski was so upset he became poetic, "When the One Great Scorer comes to write against our name, He won't write whether we won or lost, but how come we got gypped at Notre Dame". 

Notre Dame faked injuries at the end of each half when they were in the red zone running out of time, multiple times. In the 2nd half, two players walking away from the end of the play suddenly drop, simultaneously apparently unaware of which one was supposed to, stopping the clock. Notre Dame would run a replacement in, play another down, and scored at the end of each half this way.  Notre Dame was ranked #1, coming into the game. ND had one more game left against USC. But Frank Leahy never coached it, and never coached another game. Grantland Rice a sportswriter decried the tactics of Notre Dame, and was furious. Notre Dame 9-0-1 lost the mythical national title to Maryland, 10-1. Iowa despite finishing 3-3, and 5-3-1 vaulted to #9 in the AP final poll. The game no doubt brought a lot of good attention to the Iowa football program, and helped Evashevski build the program. Wisconsin finished #15 AP 4-1-1 and 6-2-1.

I suspect Evashevski never forgot the disdain he felt for Notre Dame. After he became Athletic Director circa 1961 he stopped scheduling ND. Remember, Iowa usually played ND in Iowa's rivalry week, i.e. the last game of the season, then it ended in 1968. I recall Hayden Fry stating on his call-in show that he would like to schedule Notre Dame. And, I believe I have heard Kirk Ferentz speak several years ago to not wanting to schedule Notre Dame.

I never heard the rumor about a hiatus in the Iowa - ISU series being considered to schedule ND. That's what I have been promoting on this board that we reduce Iowa State's frequency and insert Notre Dame, but didn't figure the Athletic Director considered it. 

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 01:05:36 AM »
Is ND wanting to play Iowa every year? They've been wishy washy about the three Big Ten games that they do/did play every year, and they hardly ever play anyone else from the Big Ten beyond that. In 95 and 96 they played OSU instead of Michigan, and I can't even think of any other times that they've played someone other than their main three since (minus bowl games, of course). 
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2019, 08:13:27 AM »
I've heard the ND-Iowa rumors for a while now, but as far as a series or neutral-site game actually happening, I'll believe it when I see it.

I do believe that the 9-game conference schedule does limit Iowa's scheduling options, and when one of the games is ISU, it really becomes difficult scheduling a quality opponent because 85% of the schedule (bowl game included) are P5 teams.  Iowa usually has little difficulty getting bowl eligible, but there are lean years where having those extra "gimmie" games really helps.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2019, 08:55:04 AM »
Is ND wanting to play Iowa every year? They've been wishy washy about the three Big Ten games that they do/did play every year, and they hardly ever play anyone else from the Big Ten beyond that. In 95 and 96 they played OSU instead of Michigan, and I can't even think of any other times that they've played someone other than their main three since (minus bowl games, of course).
No, one-time thing.

They've got Wisconsin scheduled for 20/21 and OSU for 22/23.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2019, 10:09:02 AM »
Indirectly the Fainting Irish game of 1953 I suspect that was the catalytic converter for ending the series. Games were scheduled out about 10-20 years. The last game in the series was 1968. Forest Evashevski was so upset he became poetic, "When the One Great Scorer comes to write against our name, He won't write whether we won or lost, but how come we got gypped at Notre Dame".

Notre Dame faked injuries at the end of each half when they were in the red zone running out of time, multiple times. In the 2nd half, two players walking away from the end of the play suddenly drop, simultaneously apparently unaware of which one was supposed to, stopping the clock. Notre Dame would run a replacement in, play another down, and scored at the end of each half this way. 
@utee94 should know that LSU didn't invent this unsportsmanlike tactic to slow down the vaunted Texas no huddle offense, been going on for decades
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2019, 12:56:19 PM »
@utee94 should know that LSU didn't invent this unsportsmanlike tactic to slow down the vaunted Texas no huddle offense, been going on for decades

Oh LSU certainly didn't invent it.  I've just never in my life seen it used 13 times in one game. I don't think I've ever even seen it done more than once in a game and the VAST majority of games, it happens zero times.  And this is coming from a fan of a B12 team, a conference where we've seen HUNH offenses used regularly for a couple decades now.

It was pretty shocking to me that ANY team would do it that much, much less one of the big bad vaunted defenses of the SEC.  Sign o' the times I suppose.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 01:02:31 PM »
Anyway, I enjoy watching this game annually, and like Marq said, I definitely wouldn't tune in to watch Iowa play some MAC or other non-P5 opponent.  

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2019, 01:49:54 PM »
The ND guy pulling his teammate down for an "injury" was a first for me.  All different players on all different teams routinely do it once or twice a game for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 01:52:05 PM »
The ND guy pulling his teammate down for an "injury" was a first for me.  All different players on all different teams routinely do it once or twice a game for obvious reasons.

There was a point in the Texas-LSU game when two LSU players flopped at the same time.  Then they looked at each other, realized they didn't both need to fake an injury at the same time, so one of them pops right back up and goes about his business.  It was comical.

 

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