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Topic: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2019, 09:30:10 AM »
It would be a huge blow if this series was placed on yet another hiatus.  I don't think a lot of folks realize just how passionate the state of Iowa is about college football.  It puts some SEC states to shame in that regard, as there are no local professional teams to root for.  And unlike Nebraska or Alabama, success on the field is completely optional.  For the vast majority of the renditions, at least one of the teams is utterly terrible, sometimes both.  There are no conference title implications because ISU and Iowa haven't played in the same conference in over a century.  The only things they play for are a nondescript trophy and state pride.  But this game gets blood boiling like few others do - each side absolutely detests the other and losing this game is not an option.  I don't know of any other rivalry where you could literally throw out the record books for this game, as 2 or 3-win ISU teams have knocked off bowl-bound Iowa teams multiple times.  You never see that in the Iron Bowl for example.  Another unique trait is that this game is almost always played in September, rather than on Rivalry Weekend in November.  Both teams tend to have plenty of rust to shake off yet as it's just the second or third game of the season, which leads to lots of head-scratching plays and "WTF" moments.  I guess that's just part of this rivalry's charm.

Non-native Iowans often find themselves having to pick a "side" when they move to the state, and picking the wrong team could lead to taunts, insults, and ostracism.  Des Moines is ground zero for this rivalry, as hundreds of thousands of Iowa and ISU grads and fans call this metro home.  More and more ISU grads are staying closer to home, so whatever edge Iowa fans once had is diminishing rapidly.

I don't foresee this rivalry being called off because 1) it needs approval from the BOR and governor and 2) it's a lot of money lost for each school.  It's a guaranteed sellout, plus local businesses benefit.  I do think that there will be some changes (beefed up security, maybe the bands stay home, etc) but some agreement will be reached and the series will continue as planned.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2019, 09:40:11 AM »
I don't foresee this rivalry being called off because 1) it needs approval from the BOR and governor and 2) it's a lot of money lost for each school.  It's a guaranteed sellout, plus local businesses benefit.  I do think that there will be some changes (beefed up security, maybe the bands stay home, etc) but some agreement will be reached and the series will continue as planned.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2019, 09:50:40 AM »
The beefed up security is the way to go. 

You can't let a couple of knuckleheads bring down a rivalry. 
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2019, 10:04:58 AM »
perhaps simply a public call out to all Iowans to clean things up

this isn't Illinois or Missouri!
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2019, 10:47:23 AM »
perhaps simply a public call out to all Iowans to clean things up

this isn't Illinois or Missouri!

But, knowing that you yourself are an Iowan, I know that such a cleanup is impossible.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2019, 11:12:38 AM »
well, I'm no one's internet nice guy
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2019, 02:25:25 PM »
You can say THAT again!

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2019, 03:01:49 PM »
There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame. 
Could be Northern Illinois. It's happened before with them.


Could also be a "non-conference" game with an East team like M, O, or P.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2019, 03:05:57 PM »
couldn't be Mizzou!
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2019, 03:22:38 PM »
 one Iowa band member suffered fx ribs.

What's a fx ribs? Is that a sandwich from McDonalds?

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2019, 03:59:17 PM »
I think fx is a medical abbreviation for fractured.

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2019, 04:02:16 PM »
What's a fx ribs? Is that a sandwich from McDonalds?
Not until November, or something.
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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2019, 04:56:07 PM »
I think fx is a medical abbreviation for fractured.
Iowa fans are using medical jargon now, given that the hospital is so close to the stadium. Maybe it's learning through osmosis. 

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Re: Iowa - Iowa State Rivalry threatened by unruly conduct
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2019, 09:54:23 PM »
I look forward to that game, but am not a fan of either team. So my opinion is not particularly relevant.

Truth be told I've always been kinda jealous of the teams that get to have a fixed out of conference rivalry.

As such I find it kind of infuriating when teams have a perfect one all served up on a silver platter, and then refuse to play it. Like Nebraska-Oklahoma. Or Texas-aTm.

I'm sure that they all have what they would consider to be "good reasons" to not play it, but I hate it nonetheless.
When I was a student at OU (1972-77), the OU-Nebraska game was on a similar plane as the OU-Texas game.  Very different sorts of rivalries, though.  One was a rivalry of mutual respect, the other of mutual hatred.

But OU-Nebraska hadn't been anything special (as far as I know) prior to the 1971 GOTC.  OU had dominated in the 1950s, then, as OU declined, Nebraska was getting better and better throughout the '60s.  The Huskers were conference co-champs in 1969 and sole champions (and AP national champs) in 1970.  Then, for a stretch of almost 20 years, OU and Nebraska between them dominated the Big 8.  The winner of the head-to-head game always won or shared the conference championship and usually went to the Orange Bowl.  One or the other was the champ or co-champ every year from 1971 through 1988.  Then in the 1990s OU tailed off--then plummeted off--while Nebraska had its greatest-ever decade.  Also during the '90s,  Colorado became a big rival--maybe bigger than OU--for Nebraska.

In the middle of the '90s, the Big 12 was formed.  OU-Nebraska became a 2-years-out-of-4 rivalry, as OU didn't care enough to fight for the Big 12 to have an annual cross-divisional rivalry game.  And it became less of a rivalry at the same time it wasn't competitive anymore.  To put it nicely, OU got its head pounded in a couple of time.  OU rebounded in 2000, but Nebraska tailed off after 2001.  In both those years, winning the head-to-head game was a key component of the season.  But it seldom was after that, although the two teams played in CCG the last year Nebraska was in the Big 12.

If the two programs had parted conference ways in the 1970s or '80s, an annual OOC game might have been very attractive.  But after 2010, with the 15 years of dwindling importance and interest in the half-rivalry, it seemed less so.  The formation of the Big 12, with Nebraska and OU in different divisions, and no permanent crossover games, doomed the rivalry as much as Nebraska leaving for the Big Ten.

If the two programs ever started a permanent annual OOC game, it would be primarily for tradition's sake.  Neither would get much if any recruiting boost, as neither recruits much in the other's state.  It would be sort like USC-Notre Dame--a "pure" annual OOC rivalry that has no need to exist, except for the tradition that it has existed since the Knute Rockne era.

I'm very glad that we're playing the Huskers in 1921-22 2021-22 and 1929-30 2029-30.  But I don't think it's going to lead to an annual OOC game.  Only old geezers like me, and not-quite-so-old geezers like Fearless would push for it.  The younger fans don't remember the glory days.

As for Texas and Texas A&M, I believe those two programs parted ways with very bitter feelings.  Utee or one of the other Horns could tell you more about that.
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