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Topic: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame

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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2022, 12:30:49 PM »
Yeah, I obviously watch the Dawgs closely, and after 3 games was not entirely sold.  They simply had a lot of near random plays go their way.  In the Mizzou game, nearly every "random" play in the first 3 quarters went against them.  The had a lot of 4th and 1-2 yards that had not been a pattern before.  It happens.  Did they get motivated in the 4th or did a few things just fall their way?  I think probably the latter, with some of the former.  I really thought the game was lost.  Mizzou broke a long run where the back was brought down on the Dawg one yard line, barely, and then they had a procedure penalty and kicked a FG.  Had he scored a TD, it would have been a deep deep hole.

I know in 1980 they really should/could have lost four or five games easily, strokes of luck happened, including the 92 yard pass against Florida very late and trailing.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 11:23:07 AM

And you're god damn right I don't count Iowa's last drive with 61 pass yards and a cheap garbage time TD with 8 seconds left in a 20 point game. Remove that garbage stat padding where Michigan was playing prevent and playing back-ups with seconds left in a game and Iowa passed for 185 yards and scored 1 TD on offense.

MB's response was to the "Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40" so you didn't count UMs garbage time points but point out what you believe to be tOSU's piling on = Pot/Kettle
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2022, 01:21:51 PM »
Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“

Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.

Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense.  

So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.

I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2022, 01:36:21 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 25, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“

Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.

Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense. 

So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.

I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
yeah, that's a great point. styles absolutely make fights. like a lot of fights, most games come down to the match-ups and exploiting weaknesses.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2022, 03:28:57 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 25, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“

Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.

Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense. 

So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.

I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
I fully expect that this weekend Ohio State will beat Penn State but less convincingly than Michigan did and that Michigan will beat Michigan State less convincingly than Ohio State did.

It isn't just styles it is also mental. This weekend's games are the biggest of the year for MSU/PSU.

That said, I think Penn State's pass defense and MSU's rush defense are a bit suspect. If either Ohio State or Michigan has an "on" game they could surpass the other's score.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2022, 03:32:36 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 25, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
Plus we are forgetting the adage “styles make fights“

Michigan choked off Iowa Harbaugh style. Just run at them until the wall breaks, and it worked to perfection.

Ohio State very rarely even tries that other than super late in the game to ice the game away. They tend to take more risks with their wide receivers any balanced offense. 

So comparing scores and outcomes is not exactly apples to apples.

I think we’ll see the same thing with Penn State this weekend. If Ohio State is to win I sincerely doubt the margin of victory will be anywhere near what Michigan did to them. Again styles make fights.
I'd have to rewatch to confirm but I suspect that your point about styles is also largely responsible for Michigan giving up more passing yards and tOSU giving up more rushing yards against Iowa.

My supposition is that Harbaugh, old school Big Ten guy yhat he is, focused heavily on stopping the run. That focus contributed to his defense doing better against the run but also contributed to his defense not doing as well against the pass.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 25, 2022, 12:01:59 PM
I'm not completely averse to ignoring Iowa's two minute drill late TD but if we are doing that then I'd also ignore Michigan's late TD as well.

The Iowa/Michigan game effectively ended when Michigan stopped Iowa's 4th down try at the Iowa 28. At that point Michigan had a 13 point lead and the ball with just over two minutes remaining. That would be over even if the opponent actually had a functional offense.
I let it go the other day b/c I usually don't find it worth my time to respond to Mdot, but yeah, absolutely this. To count one as garbage time but not the other is intellectually dishonest. 
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2022, 04:25:49 PM »
Quote from: iahawk15 on October 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
I let it go the other day b/c I usually don't find it worth my time to respond to Mdot, but yeah, absolutely this. To count one as garbage time but not the other is intellectually dishonest.
yeah well I think to consider the Iowa offense as anything other than garbage is intellectually dishonest. respond to that you passive aggressive karen.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2022, 04:28:59 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 25, 2022, 03:32:36 PM
I'd have to rewatch to confirm but I suspect that your point about styles is also largely responsible for Michigan giving up more passing yards and tOSU giving up more rushing yards against Iowa.

My supposition is that Harbaugh, old school Big Ten guy yhat he is, focused heavily on stopping the run. That focus contributed to his defense doing better against the run but also contributed to his defense not doing as well against the pass.
dude loves to run the ball and play 3 TE sets and have extra OL. he legit would probably call an entire game without passing the football if he could. this is highly unusual. most former QBs that get into coaching want to pass it every down and throw it all around the yard. 

the weird thing about Harbaugh is that he's a former All-Conference and NFL QB and the dude hates.....the passing game. Actually, that's just one of MANY weird things about Jim Harbaugh. 
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2022, 04:30:49 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 25, 2022, 01:02:25 PM
MB's response was to the "Jeem isn't like Day and keeping in his 1st team up 40" so you didn't count UMs garbage time points but point out what you believe to be tOSU's piling on = Pot/Kettle
yeah, nah. there's a HUGE difference between running the football vs throwing bombs up 30 points in the 4th QTR and then keeping the 1's in to throw more and throw a TD pass from the 5 yard line with said 1's to pad stats once you're already up 37. 
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2022, 12:43:55 AM »
From the standpoint of an Iowan who saw most of the 2nd half the Michigan game (I was traveling the 1st half). And about 7/8ths of the Ohio State game. I am convinced that Ohio State - Michigan 2022 version will be an epic game. Most years I think it is the most overly publicized game on the planet. This year seems different to me.
Both teams are very, very good. I did not expect Michigan to bounce right back in 2022. It seemed to me Michigan lost stalwarts off the coaching staff.
I would give a slight edge to Ohio State. The Iowa offense had so many more completely unforced errors against Ohio State, than it did against Michigan. The Ohio State scoring margin over Iowa is deceptive. Still -- I think Ohio State played a more complete game.
Iowa's game on offense is about 50% to eliminate unforced errors. It failed completely in that endeavor at Ohio State. That mostly was not because of Ohio State, although Ohio State does have a fairly complete defense. Michigan sort of plays this year like Iowa wants to play with control over the ball, and with strong defense. So, Michigan is very good, at defeating Iowa, at Iowa's game.
It is a bit early to predict this, but my prediction is the Ohio State-Michigan game will be determined by 4-points or less for Ohio State. Good luck Michigan.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2022, 08:31:26 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 25, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
yeah, nah. there's a HUGE difference between running the football vs throwing bombs up 30 points in the 4th QTR and then keeping the 1's in to throw more and throw a TD pass from the 5 yard line with said 1's to pad stats once you're already up 37.
Take off the Maize & Delusional goggles FFS & break your prozac in half while you are at it. You should run for office the way the obvious is ignored.You stated JEEM doesn't run the score up late & pulls starters - when it's pointed out some scrub named Corum put the icing on the cake you come back with - "yeah, nah" - any other gems you'd like to share with the congregation?
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2022, 08:36:47 AM »
I'd go with OSU by four as well.
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Re: Iowa (3-4, 1-3) at #2 Ohio State (7-0, 4-0) Postgame
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2022, 08:40:07 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 25, 2022, 03:28:57 PM

That said, I think Penn State's pass defense and MSU's rush defense are a bit suspect. If either Ohio State or Michigan has an "on" game they could surpass the other's score.

The Nitts have very good DBs.  Sparty has very suspect DBs.  Sparty is getting some players back on defense so I think thier rush defense will be getting better.  Still not as good as say Penn State's or Iowa's.  
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