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MrNubbz

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Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« on: May 10, 2021, 11:27:27 AM »
This all gleaned courtesy of 11 Warriors

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/college-sports/2021/05/122629/alabama-and-player-processing

Paul Bear Bryant Jr., son of the legend, owns a bank in Tuscaloosa, and literally controls the Board of Directors at Bama. Read this and it's pretty easy to imagine how they fund and operate their recruiting machine. 
https://www.al.com/opinion/2015/03/paul_bryant_jrs_bank_is_the_ti.html


  • MGiven the To'o To'o news and the commentary, I wanted to check and see on player numbers to see if the OSU fans are just being salty. Here is the raw data on recruitment #s and average ranking:

Alabama:
- 2017 29 players signed, 93.76 average 247 ranking
- 2018 - 22 and 91.94
- 2019 - 27 and 94.38
- 2020 - 25 and 93.54
- 2021 - 27 and 95.00
Total 2017-2021:  130 players and average of 93.724
OSU:
- 2017 - 21 and 94.59
- 2018 - 26 and 94.29
- 2019 - 17 and 91.87
- 2020 - 25 and 91.79
- 2021 - 21 and 94.52
Total - 110 players and average of 93.412.
In other words, our talent is very very similar on average but Alabama gets 20 more at bats than us over a 5 year period. This is not an even playing field at all. 



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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2021, 11:30:45 AM »
you could join the SEC

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you could have the Big Ten Commish change the rules again
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2021, 11:32:27 AM »
I presume Bama may have had more players leaving early for the League?  Maybe.
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2021, 11:54:15 AM »
Here again from 11 Warriors - a poster responds


I added the numbers up like you did, but for Georgia, Oklahoma, Clemson, and LSU.  Maybe UGA is doing a little bit of processing players (makes sense, given where Kirby learned) 😎, but Oklahoma and LSU don't look like they are and Clemson certainly isn't.  For the 2017-2021 period, here are the numbers for those teams:


UGA:  121 players, 93.25 avg rating


Oklahoma:  115 players, 91.13 avg


Clemson:  102 players, 92.55 avg


LSU:  116 players, 91.58 avg.


I don't know if it's "wrong" what Saban is doing, but he is processing these kids.


The point is: if you process 4 more per year, every one of those is an extra swing at the plate. It’s a big deal.




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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2021, 12:24:56 PM »
By "processing", they mean denying scholarships to players who didn't work out?

And you don't know if that is wrong?

It's a cut throat business obviously.  I would favor four year scholarships except "for cause".
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2021, 12:28:28 PM »
Imagine trying to compete on an uneven playing field.  Crazy
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2021, 12:31:10 PM »
Quote from: ELA on May 10, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
Imagine trying to compete on an uneven playing field.  Crazy
It has always been uneven, always.
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2021, 12:31:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 10, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
By "processing", they mean denying scholarships to players who didn't work out?

And you don't know if that is wrong?

It's a cut throat business obviously.  I would favor four year scholarships except "for cause".
Yes, that's what "processing" is.

In theory, over time, you piss off enough recruits that "don't work out" that new recruits view you negatively, and so the system should self-correct.  And if 87% of other schools processed in the same way, eventually that would happen.

But Alabama is currently a unique place.  They're so good they're almost guaranteed to make the playoff in a given year, which recruits like.  And they're also recruiting such a high caliber of athlete, that every single one of their recruits assumes "well that will never happen to me.  I'll be a starter and a star."

And finally, of the players that DO make it through and don't get processed out, a ton of them ARE making it through to the next level. How many first rounders did they just have in the NFL draft?  So, players are willing to take a little more risk, for the promise of higher rewards if they make it through.
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 12:36:06 PM »
I don't know if it's a bad thing to counsel a fourth year player and suggest he has no chance of making the field.

He might transfer to a lesser program and play one more year under scholarship and be better off.  Perhaps.

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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 12:50:35 PM »
did anyone check to see the number of early entrees to the NFL draft?

4 more per year might turn into 2 more per year or less
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2021, 12:53:56 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 10, 2021, 12:31:10 PM
It has always been uneven, always.
That's the point.

OSU fans complaining about level playing fields is funny.
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2021, 12:55:16 PM »
If Saban and Alabama are violating NCAA rules cite us. If we are not stop crying. If Saban and Alabama are running these kids off for no good reason it shouldn't be hard to find mistreated former players more than willing to testify as to their mistreatment. The fact is you can't find any of them. What happens is Alabama recruits so many high level that a lot of the kids who find themselves down on the depth chart go someplace where they can play. I know of at least three players who have already left this spring, Turnage, Jackson and Ben Davis to Texas.

The linebacker room at Alabama has 16 players. Almost all are Division 1 starters. It is unreal. They are not all going to stick around when they can start at most other schools. There is nothing sinister going on.

I find it amazing and flabbergasting that Paul Bryant, Jr owns a bank in Tuscaloosa that hires people associated with the University of Alabama. I am equally amazed and flabbergasted that Bryant, from the most famous family in The University of Alabama history, is actually on the Board Of Trustees. 
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2021, 12:57:06 PM »
Quote from: ELA on May 10, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
That's the point.

OSU fans complaining about level playing fields is funny.
no, that was not a tear in my eye
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Re: Intersting takes on BAMA player processing
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2021, 12:58:34 PM »
Quote from: bamajoe on May 10, 2021, 12:55:16 PM
If Saban and Alabama are violating NCAA rules cite us. If we are not stop crying. 
that's why I stated this........................

Quote from: FearlessF on May 10, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
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