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Topic: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2018, 10:35:17 PM »
Going back to the 90s for a sec, if I had Tommie Frazier at QB, wouldn't it make sense to have an Alstott to give the dive to, a Dunn-type on the wing, and a fast/big all-around talent like Ricky Williams (or Phillips or Green) behind Frazier?  


With a Tebow shotgun spread-option QB, I don't really need that belly-play short-yardage back.  I can get a couple of speed guys (Bush, Slayton) and an all-around special player (a la McGehee or Peterson).  Does that make sense?



And that reminds me - I don't want to forget about Percy Harvin.  He won't show up on the lists I'm checking, because he had about as many carries as catches.  
Check out his 2007:
83 carries for 764 yds (9.2 per carry) 6 TD
59 receptions for 858 yds (14.5) with 4 TD
Averaged 9.5 yards per carry in his career on almost 200 attempts.


But I have to ask you guys - does Harvin move the needle with you - would his inclusion make sense or raise an eyebrow?  Did you consider him elite when he played?  He didn't win any awards or make the AA team.  But most Florida fans know he was the best player on the field.
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2018, 10:39:44 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 21, 2018, 07:55:23 PM
Sproles' big season equals Bush's in yardage, but Reggie had 2.5 yards more PER TOUCH.  That's massive.
2.5 per touch more vs PAC defenses
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2018, 10:43:51 PM »
I guess to summarize this thread, is which players to include on a sliding scale of production vs popularity/familiarity.
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2018, 12:20:09 AM »
When I think of those Wingback/flanker guys (even if some of them  lined up at RB).   I think about Johnny Rodgers, Eric Metcalf, Warrick Dunn, Reggie Bush and most definitely Percy Harvin.    Like many of you, I've watched decades of college football.   I don't know how I wouldn't have Percy Harvin on my roster.    While I didn't watch Rodgers play in person (even though he was in two of my undergrad classes.  Seriously, he came back in the 90s, and was a vocal student in class), and if you go back and watch reels of him on youtube, the guy is timeless, and Harvin totally reminds me of Rodgers in terms of ability to avoid contact, turn a corner, and go from 0-60.
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2018, 01:25:02 AM »
Yeah I feel like there are a few guys that run with the same effort as everyone else, but they just GO faster.  
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2018, 01:40:04 PM »
I had to share this:
There are ZERO non-BYU QB seasons in the top 90 as ranked by passing efficiency in the 80s, all-time.  None.  
The #1 non-WAC(k) QB season that decade was rated 165.8 by Miami's Vinny Testaverde in 1986.  



I'm learning that college football was pretty monotonous and uniform from the early 70s into the early 90s.  Helps me understand better what a revelation Spurrier was.  Everyone was just running the option or the toss sweep, trying to out-tough each other.  Trying to get that 4th yard from the cloud of dust.  Feels like I didn't miss much.  
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2018, 02:09:49 PM »
you must have loved the MNF game won by the LA Rams
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2018, 02:38:47 PM »
As if there's no grey area between a 9-7 game and a BigXII nightmare....
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2018, 03:57:17 PM »
you said you didn't miss much

this was one game, not a season, but 1987 vs the UCLA Bruins.  Bruins were ranked #3 at the time

NCAA Rating (min. 15 att.): 298.2; Steve Taylor, QB, vs. UCLA,
Sept. 12, 1987 (15 att., 10 comp., 0 INT, 217 yards, 5 TD)

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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2018, 06:00:31 AM »
Why were all those old option teams' leading receiver the TE?  Why not a WR?  
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2018, 09:28:20 AM »
you didn't miss much, but you missed some great schemes to free the TE like no other offense.

safety was busy watching the QB, LBs in those run stopping defenses couldn't run with the TE

TE was tight to the tackle and blocked like heck 25 straight plays, easy to fake a block and let lost and behind the defense
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2018, 11:43:49 AM »
But back to the 2000s RB...if you bought a college football game and had this decade's all-star team set, don't you think most people would want/expect Bush/Peterson/Sproles over guys like Larry Johnson or Damien Anderson?  


Johnson's season was EPIC....but he just doesn't have the same name recognition as those other guys.
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2018, 07:55:22 AM »
probably what the marketing department would like....

what about the flip side, using the game to bring awareness of great players that didn't get the recognition or whatever reason?
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Re: Individual Player season All-Decade Teams Help
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2018, 10:49:53 AM »
Well since this would be a commercial enterprise and sales mattering - I'm not sure that would be a great business plan.  



A compromise would be to make 2-3 different sets of RB corps or receiver corps available for purchase for the same team.  Mixing and matching individual players at these positions wouldn't work unless they had nearly the same number of carries, but having a "popular" set of runners and then a more "statistical leaders" set would work.  It would require more work, but it is an option.  



Or a set of 3 RB plus the running QB (Frazier or Tebow or whoever) and a different set of 4 with the passing QB, something like that.  With it being a decade-long all-star team, there's no shortage of great player seasons.




Hell, the possibliities are endless - all-time conference teams, all-time individual school teams, etc.  If I could get some kind of algorithm thing going, and not do it all by hand, any number of ideas could be churned out.
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