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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Cincydawg

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I've noted before that my wife has zero, an emphatic zero, interest in living in France.  Visiting, sure, as often as possible, but not living.  France has a lot of nice features, but some small things you might not notice until you LIVE there.  One tiny example, my wife loves to buy things, and then return them.  She sees something she thinks she might like, and then changes her mind.  So back they go, kind of drives me crazy at times.

You couldn't do that in France, at all, at least when she lived there.  Maybe some places like Carrefour loosened up, I doubt it.

There are other annoyances of course like zoning laws and getting anything registered or getting a driver's license.  

For the record, I really like small towns in France.  I used to joke about moving to Provence and opening a real BBQ place.  Our lives here are a bit like France in some respects except we DON'T HAVE ANY DECENT FRENCH RESTAURANTS NEARBY!!!!!

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Nope.
Oops.  Obviously I didn't look into it very closely, or well.  That's weird, to me.

I ASSUMED no state would tax a Roth.

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Check Georgia tax laws.
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Actually reducing the debt is pretty unlikely. However, we could balance the budget, or get close to it, if we were serious about it. That would take changing the tax code, changing the way we pay for entitlements (Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security), and reducing discretionary spending. We could do all of those things, but neither political party seems to want to. It's easier to buy votes through government spending than it is to win votes with economic theory. And we could balance the budget without a major shock to the economy if we did it through a gradual process that the government committed itself to over a period of years. That, unfortunately, is very unlikely to happen, at least in the short term.

On the taxation side, it's not a huge marginal rate at the top that would likely "fix" things; it's a bunch of smaller, marginal changes. The tax code probably is rather bloated, and does allow property owners to avoid a fair amount of taxation on their wealth. Those things could be fixed, but as with everything else, there's no magic bullet. With entitlements, we could change how the taxation works, removing, or changing the caps on the taxation, and for Medicare and Medicaid, we could probably add additional co-pays (on a means tested basis) that might reduce some of the (legal) waste in the system.

All that said, I think the biggest money sink for us remains poverty. The cost to society of having a significant underclass is very high. Ironically, there's a pretty good body of evidence that shows that being poor is also quite expensive. The societal costs include social spending on what we think of as "welfare," but it also means very expensive school-based programs, crime, medical spending, and a host of other costly ills. That said, the fix isn't obvious, or we would have done it. It is neither cut off all federal (and state) spending and let God sort it out, nor is it give everyone tons of free stuff.

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Most fixes require pain. I feel like we don't have a choice.

I'd like a flat tax with no loopholes or deductions (essentially eliminates the IRS) and no salary caps on Medicare and SS.
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What income gets that much taken out, put of curiosity?
If we are talking Federal only at current rates, for MFJ it is almost exactly the top of the 24% bracket a taxable income of $394,600.  At that taxable income your federal tax would be:
  • 10% of the first $23,850 or $2,385
  • 12% from $23,851-96,950 which works out to $8,772 for a cumulative total of $11,157
  • 22% from $96,951-206,700 which works out to $24,145 cumulatively $35,302
  • 24% from $206,701-394,600 which works out to $45,096 cumulatively $80,398.  


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If we are talking Federal only at current rates, for MFJ it is almost exactly the top of the 24% bracket a taxable income of $394,600.  At that taxable income your federal tax would be:
  • 10% of the first $23,850 or $2,385
  • 12% from $23,851-96,950 which works out to $8,772 for a cumulative total of $11,157
  • 22% from $96,951-206,700 which works out to $24,145 cumulatively $35,302
  • 24% from $206,701-394,600 which works out to $45,096 cumulatively $80,398. 


Pre-tax income that year was much higher.

We donated about $25K to charities (good) and we paid very heavy in SALT (bad).
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this is beyond pathetic would be a more apt caption....


https://twitter.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1942629207340908730

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I ASSUMED no state would tax a Roth.
That's what they told me 20+ yrs back - nice guys,meet 'em everywhere
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PJ O'rourke's book by that title is, still, hilarious reading.


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https://twitter.com/aaronblake/status/1942637963927593117?s=46&t=e2ReDV-yjo7MPCzlX2TjVA
what makes it all even way more pathetic and far worse is his son Don Jr, his deputy director of the FBI, and FBI director were droning on about Epstein for the last 3-4 years and about how all the files need to be released- and the head of his DOJ had a little PR stunt photo op giving away "Epstein Phase I" binders to MAGA social media influencers with nothing but rehashed docs from civil cases and said like two months ago she has thousands of video tapes and files to review and she'll release them all- now apparently nothing. these idiots put the proverbial foot in their mouths and now acting like no big deal here nothing to see move along....lol.

Trump himself barely spoke on this and never spoke strongly one way or the other about Epstein disclosures and was very non-committal, but this here is a total joke.

I mean they aren't even making a real effort here to sweep the thing under the rug in a plausibly deniable way. it's laughable, lazy, and beyond pathetic. they'd be better off just admitting they are sweeping this under the rug for national security purposes to protect the CIA and Israel.

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what makes it all even way more pathetic and far worse is his son Don Jr, his deputy director of the FBI, and FBI director were droning on about Epstein for the last 3-4 years and about how all the files need to be released- and the head of his DOJ had a little PR stunt photo op giving away "Epstein Phase I" binders to MAGA social media influencers with nothing but rehashed docs from civil cases and said like two months ago she has thousands of video tapes and files to review and she'll release them all- now apparently nothing. these idiots put the proverbial foot in their mouths and now acting like no big deal here nothing to see move along....lol.

Trump himself was never committed one way or the other about Epstein disclosures and was very non-committal, but this here is a total joke.

I mean they aren't even making a real effort here to sweep the thing under the rug in a plausibly deniable way. it's laughable, lazy, and beyond pathetic. they'd be better off just admitting they are sweeping this under the rug for national security purposes to protect the CIA and Israel.
I want it all released.
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