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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
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847badgerfan · « **Reply #46452 on:** **Today** at 08:48:51 AM »

It was midnight. They were sleeping.

FearlessF · « **Reply #46453 on:** **Today** at 08:51:47 AM »

the weather app on my phone will sometimes wake me up for severe weather alerts

utee94 · « **Reply #46454 on:** **Today** at 08:52:16 AM »

The majority of campers were moved safely to the pre-designated spot at higher ground.

A tragic population of the campers were not moved in time. Like almost any catastrophe there were multiple points of failure.

The NWS was not one of them.

utee94 · « **Reply #46455 on:** **Today** at 08:58:29 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on Today at 08:51:47 AM

the weather app on my phone will sometimes wake me up for severe weather alerts

Cell service is notoriously spotty in that remote area down in the river basin, and I don't believe campers were allowed to have cell phones anyway.

However, there absolutely should have been someone on staff responsible for tracking weather, at all hours. And especially in a known flood-prone area and with a known rainstorm nearby.

There will be a lot of changes in policy and procedure at multiple locations and multiple levels of authority, I have no doubt.

But it will never bring back those 80+ people including 28 children.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #46456 on:** **Today** at 09:01:35 AM »

Humans often learn the hard way.

And then we sometimes over react.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #46457 on:** **Today** at 09:02:22 AM »

I'm slightly dismayed at some folks on FB blaming this on Trump, but I realize they will use any tragedy as a source for political blame. I view it as something that ends up punishing them. They are so anti-Trump they are mired in it and can't escape or be rational about it.

They blamed him for the plane-helo collision in DC earlier, and of course many other events, including getting us into WW 3.

I'm far from a Trump fan obviously, but I make some effort to be rational. I'm not always good at it.

People can be their own worst punishment in life.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #46458 on:** **Today** at 09:07:43 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on Today at 08:58:29 AM

Cell service is notoriously spotty in that remote area down in the river basin, and I don't believe campers were allowed to have cell phones anyway.

However, there absolutely should have been someone on staff responsible for tracking weather, at all hours. And especially in a known flood-prone area and with a known rainstorm nearby.

There will be a lot of changes in policy and procedure at multiple locations and multiple levels of authority, I have no doubt.

But it will never bring back those 80+ people including 28 children.

Not having buildings in a flood zone would be a good start. There are so many around here.

Gigem · « **Reply #46459 on:** **Today** at 09:48:07 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on Today at 07:35:17 AM

SLUBICE, Poland (AP) — Poland reinstated border controls on Monday with Germany and Lithuania following similar German restrictions imposed earlier this year aimed at discouraging asylum-seekers.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, whose government recently survived a confidence vote in parliament, announced the restrictions last week. Pressure has been mounting after far-right groups in Poland have alleged Germany was transporting migrants into Polish territory after they reached Western Europe.

The reinstated controls, which began overnight Sunday, will last for an initial period of 30 days, though authorities have not ruled out extending them, according to the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs and Administration.

“Illegal migration is simply a crime,” Polish Interior Minister Tomasz Siemoniak said Sunday during a news conference.

Please explain what this means if you know. Because I've never been to Europe, but even with the EU I assumed there was some kind of border check point, it's not like in the USA where you can go from state to state, you still need to pass through some sort of immigration/customs check point.

Gigem · « **Reply #46460 on:** **Today** at 09:53:03 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 09:07:43 AM

Not having buildings in a flood zone would be a good start. There are so many around here.

Not trying to be obtuse or a jerk here, but realistically when the "flood zone" hasn't flooded in recent memory, perhaps only once since 1987 (almost 40 years ago) and maybe not even 50-100 years before that it's entirely probable that the people in charge just didn't realize that they were in danger. I mean, you're house is on the coast, and can probably withstand a Cat 3 Hurricane, but if a Cat 5 came in it would probably wipe it out no matter what measures you take. But how often do we see a Cat 5 storm? I'm struggling to think of the last true Cat 5 that hit the US, maybe never. Sure, we're had some that were Cat 5 that weakened to Cat 3 when they hit.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #46461 on:** **Today** at 09:54:33 AM »

In the Schengen zone, one can move from country to country with no checks at all. Some old border posts still exist, but are unmanned.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #46462 on:** **Today** at 09:55:43 AM »

Quote from: Gigem on Today at 09:53:03 AM

if a Cat 5 came in it would probably wipe it out no matter what measures you take. But how often do we see a Cat 5 storm? I'm struggling to think of the last true Cat 5 that hit the US, maybe never. Sure, we're had some that were Cat 5 that weakened to Cat 3 when they hit.

The US has experienced a number of Cat 5 hurricanes at landfall in the past.

List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes - Wikipedia

847badgerfan · « **Reply #46463 on:** **Today** at 10:01:19 AM »

Quote from: Gigem on Today at 09:53:03 AM

Not trying to be obtuse or a jerk here, but realistically when the "flood zone" hasn't flooded in recent memory, perhaps only once since 1987 (almost 40 years ago) and maybe not even 50-100 years before that it's entirely probable that the people in charge just didn't realize that they were in danger. I mean, you're house is on the coast, and can probably withstand a Cat 3 Hurricane, but if a Cat 5 came in it would probably wipe it out no matter what measures you take. But how often do we see a Cat 5 storm? I'm struggling to think of the last true Cat 5 that hit the US, maybe never. Sure, we're had some that were Cat 5 that weakened to Cat 3 when they hit.

I'm at a safe elevation, and the house took a direct hit from Ian less than 3 years ago.

Ian was initially classified as a Cat 4 but later changed to a Cat 5.

Max winds were 160 MPH sustained, with gusts over 220 MPH.

As for the flood zone, it's mapped by FEMA and therefore a risk.

utee94 · « **Reply #46464 on:** **Today** at 10:02:38 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 10:01:19 AM

I'm at a safe elevation, and the house took a direct hit from Ian less than 3 years ago.

Ian was initially classified as a Cat 4 but later changed to a Cat 5.

Max winds were 160 MPH sustained, with gusts over 220 MPH.

As for the flood zone, it's mapped by FEMA and therefore a risk.

Plenty of devastation in your area, though, even if not your own house. Do you believe there should be zero rebuilding of anything that was destroyed in the last one?

847badgerfan · « **Reply #46465 on:** **Today** at 10:08:06 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on Today at 10:02:38 AM

Plenty of devastation in your area, though, even if not your own house. Do you believe there should be zero rebuilding of anything that was destroyed in the last one?

I do. People need to use common sense. If it requires flood insurance...

Last year during Milton my favorite restaurants downtown had 8+ feet of water inside, and we lost our hospital. Two weeks before with Helene, the downtown flooded but minimal damage to buildings.

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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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