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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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bayareabadger

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44772 on: May 16, 2025, 01:44:44 PM »
Exactly.

I realize it sounds silly but $5M doesn't allow you to "live like a millionaire."  $100M does.
The logical fallacy in that statement irritates me greatly.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44773 on: May 16, 2025, 01:53:52 PM »
I suppose it's subjective, but I tend to think of "rich" in terms of "don't have to work if you don't want to." 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44774 on: May 16, 2025, 01:57:33 PM »
A lot of it has to do with location. $5M living in San Francisco or New York City, will not get you very far. But if you have $5M living in Appalacia, you would be doing quite well.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44775 on: May 16, 2025, 01:58:04 PM »
I don't think that way but I don't have to work if I don't want to."
It's more about my age than my wealth
I simply don't cornsider myself rich
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44776 on: May 16, 2025, 01:59:41 PM »
I don't think that way but I don't have to work if I don't want to."
It's more about my age than my wealth
I simply don't cornsider myself rich

I think age is a significant factor.

If I didn't have to work another day in my life at 50 -- that's feels rich.

If I don't have to work another day in my life at 67-1/2 --- that's retirement.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44777 on: May 16, 2025, 02:00:50 PM »
It also depends on how you want to retire.  My dad worked up until he couldn't, partially because he wanted to, but partially because they wanted a second place in Florida, they wanted to travel, wanted to join a golf club etc...

My in laws retired young, but haven't travelled other than an annual trip to Myrtle Beach.  My FIL occasionally golfs at a local public course, but they are happy to just get together with friends and be on their own schedule

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44778 on: May 16, 2025, 02:04:54 PM »
This is me.
This is me too. I don't have to work but I choose to (it's my company).
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44779 on: May 16, 2025, 02:06:29 PM »
so, you cornsider yourself rich?
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44780 on: May 16, 2025, 02:08:10 PM »
Well, there is nothing I want to do that I can't do. So, yes, I guess?
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44781 on: May 16, 2025, 03:41:51 PM »
A lot of it has to do with location. $5M living in San Francisco or New York City, will not get you very far. But if you have $5M living in Appalacia, you would be doing quite well. 
yeah, you're basically a poor with $5 million in Manhattan. that'd buy you a nice shoebox sized condo/apartment. 

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« Reply #44782 on: May 16, 2025, 05:00:25 PM »
The logical fallacy in that statement irritates me greatly.
I get it, but that is why he put it in quotation marks.  

Basically the word "Millionaire" came to mean someone who is very wealthy, can spend lavishly and frivolously if they want to back when a net worth of $1 Million actually did permit that.  

Today you can't spend lavishly and frivolously on a net worth of $1 Million for long so we are clumsily trying to define what that figure is.  Personally, I think @Cincydawg is a little high at $100M but a lot of that is location and taste.  I live in the Midwest and I don't have extraordinarily expensive tastes but even at that I think that to live like what I picture when I think "Millionaire", I'd need a lot more than $1 Million.  I don't think I'd need two orders of magnitude more like Cincy but I do think I'd need one order of magnitude more.  

My thinking:
A net worth of $10M even at very conservative investments would get me 2-3% which is $200-300k.  That would be enough for me to not only not have to work but to feel "rich".  But that is in the Midwest with relatively cheap tastes.  If you live in Manhattan or San Francisco I'm not sure that would be enough to pay for parking.  

I get what @MikeDeTiger is getting at.  If you don't have to work, you are rich but I agree with this:
I think age is a significant factor.

If I didn't have to work another day in my life at 50 -- that's feels rich.

If I don't have to work another day in my life at 67-1/2 --- that's retirement.
Even at 50, you are old enough that you can spend some principal.  I had defined it as "enough money to not have to work regardless of age" because that takes the principal consumption out of it.  

Think of it this way, insurance companies sell what are called lifetime annuities.  You pay a fixed sum up front and they pay you $X per year for life.  Let's say you want to put your entire net worth into one of these and you have a net worth of $2M.  If you are 67-1/2 you are going to get a pretty hefty annual sum because the Insurance Company actuaries are going to look it up and see that a 67-1/2 year old American male is a little under 16 years.  Thus, even without accounting for interest the insurance company could pay you $125k/yr.  

If you are 50 your actuarial lifespan is 28 years.  That drops the amount they can pay you (before accounting for interest) by almost half to just $71k/yr.  

If you are 36 your actuarial lifespan is 40 years so the insurance company can only pay you $50k/yr (again before accounting for interest).  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44783 on: May 16, 2025, 05:40:56 PM »
A lot of it has to do with location. $5M living in San Francisco or New York City, will not get you very far. But if you have $5M living in Appalacia, you would be doing quite well. 
Or Huron/Cuyahoga County
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44784 on: May 16, 2025, 06:33:17 PM »
$100 million is about the point where one can readily avoid taxes and still generate plenty of funds for a long time, by borrowing off assets and/or municipal bonds.  At $10 million, you could manage with some discretion obviously and not pay taxes.

Put your $100 million in say Berkshire Hathaway A and borrow whatever monies you need for any kind of lifestyle.  Almost.

So, that is the figure I use when thinking about who doesn't pay "their fair share" (and I disdain the term).

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44785 on: May 16, 2025, 10:02:17 PM »
I get it, but that is why he put it in quotation marks. 

Basically the word "Millionaire" came to mean someone who is very wealthy, can spend lavishly and frivolously if they want to back when a net worth of $1 Million actually did permit that. 

Today you can't spend lavishly and frivolously on a net worth of $1 Million for long so we are clumsily trying to define what that figure is.  Personally, I think @Cincydawg is a little high at $100M but a lot of that is location and taste.  I live in the Midwest and I don't have extraordinarily expensive tastes but even at that I think that to live like what I picture when I think "Millionaire", I'd need a lot more than $1 Million.  I don't think I'd need two orders of magnitude more like Cincy but I do think I'd need one order of magnitude more. 

My thinking:
A net worth of $10M even at very conservative investments would get me 2-3% which is $200-300k.  That would be enough for me to not only not have to work but to feel "rich".  But that is in the Midwest with relatively cheap tastes.  If you live in Manhattan or San Francisco I'm not sure that would be enough to pay for parking. 

I get what @MikeDeTiger is getting at.  If you don't have to work, you are rich but I agree with this:Even at 50, you are old enough that you can spend some principal.  I had defined it as "enough money to not have to work regardless of age" because that takes the principal consumption out of it. 

Think of it this way, insurance companies sell what are called lifetime annuities.  You pay a fixed sum up front and they pay you $X per year for life.  Let's say you want to put your entire net worth into one of these and you have a net worth of $2M.  If you are 67-1/2 you are going to get a pretty hefty annual sum because the Insurance Company actuaries are going to look it up and see that a 67-1/2 year old American male is a little under 16 years.  Thus, even without accounting for interest the insurance company could pay you $125k/yr. 

If you are 50 your actuarial lifespan is 28 years.  That drops the amount they can pay you (before accounting for interest) by almost half to just $71k/yr. 

If you are 36 your actuarial lifespan is 40 years so the insurance company can only pay you $50k/yr (again before accounting for interest). 
Don’t care how many words are written, still irritates me. The word means what it means.

 

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