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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44212 on: April 30, 2025, 09:13:03 AM »
The trend will of course reverse.  It will spike the opposite direction for the remainder of Q2.  It wasn't a case of incremental increased spending on imported goods, it was a pull-in from future quarters, which will leave an import deficit in Q2 and Q3.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44213 on: April 30, 2025, 09:15:53 AM »
I'm not sure of much of anything with the economy now there are so many political factors at play.  Trump may see the stock market drop (and it will) and decide to reverse some tariffs, and the market will react (again).  He sees that as a metric as to how well he's doing.  And he knows he can influence it.

The Fed could react, or not, with a small rate drop.

I bought some put options last week on my largest position, I didn't want to sell, I had sold off about half back in January, but I wanted some insurance.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44214 on: April 30, 2025, 09:18:44 AM »
I'm not sure of much of anything with the economy now there are so many political factors at play.
For the economy in general, sure.

But for the import/export ratio, the trend must reverse.  It was artificially stimulated by customer buy-ahead purchasing behavior to get ahead of the tariffs. For it to continue, the purchasing of imported goods would need to remain at an artificially high level, which it can't and won't, because then customers would be buying at the increased tariff prices they were deliberately avoiding in Q1.

This wasn't net incremental purchasing, it was pull-in behavior from future quarters.  We've already seen substantial drops over the past 2 weeks in purchasing of tariff-impacted goods.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44215 on: April 30, 2025, 09:19:54 AM »
OK, I was already seeing a negative trend, I would opine it well could get worse, but not reverse to positive.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44216 on: April 30, 2025, 09:24:07 AM »
President Donald Trump signed executive orders Tuesday to relax some of his 25% tariffs on automobiles and auto parts, a significant reversal as the import taxes threatened to hurt domestic manufacturers.
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« Reply #44217 on: April 30, 2025, 09:25:16 AM »
OK, I was already seeing a negative trend, I would opine it well could get worse, but not reverse to positive.


We'll see an overall net slowdown in purchasing across all sectors, because of the artificially high Q1.  But when purchasing resumes and increases, it won't be concentrated on primarily Chinese goods, as it was in Q1.

ETA: I'm not saying all of a sudden Americans will be buying solely American-manufactured goods.  We still don't make much of this stuff here.  What I'm saying is that this unusually high rate of purchase will slow and stop, and we'll return to the previous trade balance.  Which means this trend from Q1 will reverse.

Chinese manufacturing is also contracting, as they're losing their contracts to countries like Vietnam, Thailand, and India.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44218 on: April 30, 2025, 09:28:06 AM »
I am not concerned moving forward.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44219 on: April 30, 2025, 09:30:43 AM »
I'm concerned but not too worried
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44220 on: April 30, 2025, 09:32:36 AM »
Q! GDP is already negative, even if pumped up by early imports, it's already negative, to reverse that would mean it goes positive, which I would not expect.

I expect it to get worse, not reverse.

I also expect a sudden rash of tariff reversals from Trump, probably under the guise of "negotiations", which might be nothing at all.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44221 on: April 30, 2025, 09:37:21 AM »
My biggest concern is that in a battle of patience, China has a much longer rope. 

President Trump can blame the current economy as a hangover from President Biden, but eventually there will be no excuses left. He probably has until the midterms to make a case that the tariffs worked or to make a deal with China. 

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« Reply #44222 on: April 30, 2025, 09:38:32 AM »
Q! GDP is already negative, even if pumped up by early imports, it's already negative, to reverse that would mean it goes positive, which I would not expect.

I expect it to get worse, not reverse.

I also expect a sudden rash of tariff reversals from Trump, probably under the guise of "negotiations", which might be nothing at all.

Trump says U.S.-India trade deal is very close
The only reason it went negative was because of sudden artificially induced demand stimulus that is no longer present.  Not sure what you're looking at to think it won't reverse now that that artificially induced demand stimulus is no longer present.  The trade balance is already shifting closer to normal in Q2, and in Q3 that is expected to continue.  Overall demand and purchasing will remain low for a while, so it will likely take a few months to clear out the excess inventory currently in the supply chain here in the US, but by the end of Q3 normal demand should resume.

And regardless of where those goods are made, if they're being sold by American companies, then American companies are making the money off the sales.  Distribution channels are currently stuffed.  That means the manufacturing ODMs have been paid, but the brand-name OEMs haven't yet.

Edit-- Oh I think I see what you're saying.  GDP was already negative and the economy was contracting before the tariff-scare?  I hadn't read that but if true, I understand what you're saying.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44223 on: April 30, 2025, 09:42:04 AM »
Q1 showed negative GDP "growth".  I expect Q2 to be worse, more negative, which in my view is not any reversal.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44224 on: April 30, 2025, 09:42:22 AM »
My biggest concern is that in a battle of patience, China has a much longer rope.

President Trump can blame the current economy as a hangover from President Biden, but eventually there will be no excuses left. He probably has until the midterms to make a case that the tariffs worked or to make a deal with China.
I don't think so anymore. China is under tremendous pressure internally and externally, and there is even some chatter about regime change.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44225 on: April 30, 2025, 09:44:14 AM »
I think China has "longer rope" because it is more authoritarian.  They build entire cities ... and leave them unoccupied, it's make work.  They have a huge army as make work (largely).  They can make appliances and stack them in warehouses as make work.


 

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