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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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utee94

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44114 on: April 28, 2025, 12:02:30 PM »
sensative
Pretty sure that only applies to us Texans. :)

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44115 on: April 28, 2025, 12:13:45 PM »
Speaking of the deficit ...

... is there any chance of reducing it significantly?

There is no particular evidence increasing income tax rates increases revenue.  Maybe somehow taxing "billionaires" could raise revenue, but Europe didn't have much luck trying that.  Can anything appreciably raise tax revenue without kicking the economy to the curb (thus lowering revenue)?

That leaves cutting spending.  Republicans claim to be cutting spending, but to me, it looks to be rather trivial as compared with a nearly $2 trillion deficit.

The best I can see is gradually lowering deficit as a percent of GDP, and even that looks dubious.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44116 on: April 28, 2025, 12:14:24 PM »
bwar did, and he provided his reasoning to me, which is fine. 

Bwar thought a few of my posts were political
I didn't intend them to be, but some folks look at everything as political - potentially 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44117 on: April 28, 2025, 12:26:14 PM »
A guy in surlyhorns who lives in Spain is posting about what's going on.  Says he didn't really even know it was widespread until he left his neighborhood to go to the store. They are out of bread, and the refrigerated sections of the store are on lockdown so the helado doesn't melt.  Internet was out for most of the day but it's back on now.  Beer is getting warm but he's still drinking it.





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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44118 on: April 28, 2025, 12:50:12 PM »
Speaking of the deficit ...

... is there any chance of reducing it significantly?

There is no particular evidence increasing income tax rates increases revenue.  Maybe somehow taxing "billionaires" could raise revenue, but Europe didn't have much luck trying that.  Can anything appreciably raise tax revenue without kicking the economy to the curb (thus lowering revenue)?

That leaves cutting spending.  Republicans claim to be cutting spending, but to me, it looks to be rather trivial as compared with a nearly $2 trillion deficit.

The best I can see is gradually lowering deficit as a percent of GDP, and even that looks dubious.

Lol.  Republicans reduce spending like 80's bands reduced cocaine consumption.  Most of them, whether they know it or not, are no different than their Democratic counterparts in that they're enamored with Modern Monetary Theory, although whether they are aware of the term or not, I wouldn't know.  It remains to be seen whether it's a viable long-term paradigm for US spending.  You can put me in the camp of people who are highly skeptical.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44119 on: April 28, 2025, 02:04:49 PM »


There is no particular evidence increasing income tax rates increases revenue.  Maybe somehow taxing "billionaires" could raise revenue, but Europe didn't have much luck trying that.  Can anything appreciably raise tax revenue without kicking the economy to the curb (thus lowering revenue)?


Do you have any actual evidence showing this? This claim sounds like something straight out of a think tank that whitewashes GOP talking points.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44121 on: April 28, 2025, 03:25:56 PM »
I believe Thomas Sowell has written on this in several of his books, too, citing info from various countries in various times, as he often does.  But he's only a genius, so what does he know. 

At least part of its reality is explicable by pretty obvious mechanisms, but I don't know what percentage.  Since its causation is largely unstudied, I wonder if it holds only with slow gradations, or if it would hold true with major changes.  i.e., if the latter, the politician who radically slashed taxes and supercharged GDP while maintaining revenue would be pretty popular.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44122 on: April 28, 2025, 04:17:46 PM »
I hope for chat of policy, we get some level of histrionics, going on about blacks and Jews and animals.

We opened things up for this?
Your guy preserved the Federal DP (for now) ONLY for killers of preferred minorities, and a terror bombing.  It is what it is.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44123 on: April 28, 2025, 04:18:58 PM »
Speaking of the deficit ...

... is there any chance of reducing it significantly?

There is no particular evidence increasing income tax rates increases revenue.  Maybe somehow taxing "billionaires" could raise revenue, but Europe didn't have much luck trying that.  Can anything appreciably raise tax revenue without kicking the economy to the curb (thus lowering revenue)?

That leaves cutting spending.  Republicans claim to be cutting spending, but to me, it looks to be rather trivial as compared with a nearly $2 trillion deficit.

The best I can see is gradually lowering deficit as a percent of GDP, and even that looks dubious.
At the end of the day, we the electorate are to blame.  If someone ran on a clearly defined platform of doing what is necessary to get the deficit under control, they would get smoked.  So we get what we vote for.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44124 on: April 28, 2025, 04:22:09 PM »
Do you have any actual evidence showing this? This claim sounds like something straight out of a think tank that whitewashes GOP talking points.
Federal Revenues as a percentage of GDP have been ~20% for a century or more regardless of 90% top marginal rates or 28% top marginal rates so there is your evidence.  

I will admit up front that there are plenty of instances of conservatives over-relying on the laffer curve but to suggest that it doesn't exist at all is ludicrous.  

When you raise rates you encourage tax avoidance.  The more you raise rates the more you encourage tax avoidance so the additional revenue is pretty limited.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44125 on: April 28, 2025, 04:34:34 PM »
When you raise rates you encourage tax avoidance.  The more you raise rates the more you encourage tax avoidance so the additional revenue is pretty limited. 

I think there's also something to be said for the fact that raising taxes that affect business owners--whether it's corporate, or an income bracket, etc.--the more they lay people off, which in turn reduces tax revenue.  I don't know what the actual offset is.  I know it tends to be a wet blanket for the job market. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44126 on: April 28, 2025, 09:05:24 PM »
Limit the tax avoidance?  ;)
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44127 on: April 28, 2025, 09:08:14 PM »
but, it's a fun game  - makes accountants & lawyers money
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