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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Gigem

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« Reply #43778 on: April 23, 2025, 10:58:39 AM »
Here's a big reason.....pretty famous clip.




https://youtu.be/AdVSqSNHhVo?si=Ry5TdGXAs5y5OLKK
And you have to think, how could he have been so stupid !  I mean really today's politicians would just increase the debt ceiling with no worries.  Maybe this is why the gov't is broke, the last politician that tried to remedy it got promptly voted out.  

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« Reply #43779 on: April 23, 2025, 10:59:43 AM »
We didn't even have cable in my literal neck of the woods until the late 80's so most of these guys were gone by the time we got MTV.  I think Martha Quinn hung in there in a special show or two for awhile.  I remember Julie Brown, Downtown Julie Brown, Kennedy, and a couple of others that escape my recollection.  I think they VJ's kinda faded out in the early 90's.  MTV was such a culture staple in the 80's and early 90's.  I explain to my kids all the time how we would go to a friends house to watch MTV and just watch videos for hours, like that was a thing. 

Y'all remember this show?  It came on one of the major networks around 10-11 PM Friday night (duh) in my neck of the woods.

I first saw Quiet Riot and Def Leppard on this show.  I was in love.



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« Reply #43780 on: April 23, 2025, 11:00:50 AM »
And you have to think, how could he have been so stupid !  I mean really today's politicians would just increase the debt ceiling with no worries.  Maybe this is why the gov't is broke, the last politician that tried to remedy it got promptly voted out. 

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I think it was more that he said he wouldn't raise taxes, and then did so anyway.  :)

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« Reply #43781 on: April 23, 2025, 11:01:42 AM »
It's funny, I remember this vividly because she was one of my favorites.  I think it was just all part of an act. 
I had no idea she was a big personality on Fox news until recently, I had no idea what she was up to in the last ~30 years. 

I didn't know that either.  But then, I've hardly ever watched Fox News.  Does she have a show or is she just somebody they bring on for guest segments?  

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« Reply #43782 on: April 23, 2025, 11:03:26 AM »
Don't pretend you don't know Downtown Julie Brown.
Oh yeah I remember her.

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« Reply #43783 on: April 23, 2025, 11:04:37 AM »
It's funny, I remember this vividly because she was one of my favorites.  I think it was just all part of an act. 
I had no idea she was a big personality on Fox news until recently, I had no idea what she was up to in the last ~30 years. 
Kennedy had done some things with Reason magazine as well. I think she politically is more libertarian than anything. 

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« Reply #43784 on: April 23, 2025, 11:07:32 AM »
Y'all remember this show?  It came on one of the major networks around 10-11 PM Friday night (duh) in my neck of the woods.

I first saw Quiet Riot and Def Leppard on this show.  I was in love.




I remember it but we had MTV  so we just watched that.

HBO "Video Jukebox" segments predated MTV by a few years but we didn't have HBO.  I'd watch it at neighbors' houses, just trying to catch the music videos.

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« Reply #43785 on: April 23, 2025, 11:08:32 AM »
We didn't even have cable in my literal neck of the woods until the late 80's so most of these guys were gone by the time we got MTV.  I think Martha Quinn hung in there in a special show or two for awhile.  I remember Julie Brown, Downtown Julie Brown, Kennedy, and a couple of others that escape my recollection.  I think they VJ's kinda faded out in the early 90's.  MTV was such a culture staple in the 80's and early 90's.  I explain to my kids all the time how we would go to a friends house to watch MTV and just watch videos for hours, like that was a thing. 

There were definitely still VJ's at least until the aughts.  Definitely the mid-90's while I was in high school and late 90's when I started college.  At some point in the early 2000's, Carson Daly went full Thanos, snapped his fingers, and everybody else was updating their LinkedIns.  Srsly, it was like for a while he owned MTV and had fired everybody else......he was the only person you ever saw on there. 

By that time, videos had pretty much been completely dumped and I quit watching.  There was M2 for a while, which I enjoyed in college.  I think now even that's all reality crap.  
 

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« Reply #43786 on: April 23, 2025, 11:13:14 AM »
I remember it but we had MTV  so we just watched that.

HBO "Video Jukebox" segments predated MTV by a few years but we didn't have HBO.  I'd watch it at neighbors' houses, just trying to catch the music videos.

We were poor....no cable - no MTV.  

FNV had to do for us urchins.

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« Reply #43787 on: April 23, 2025, 11:18:43 AM »
I've wondered the same.  It seems GenX just doesn't have much interest in it.  It's also a much smaller generation than those surrounding it, so just by pure mathematics, is less likely to fill as many positions.
I think it has a LOT more to do with the generation prior (boomers) being so large which has enabled them to hang on for a REALLY long time.  

Presidential birthdates:
  • 1917, May 29 JFK - JFK served 1961-1963 and died in office.  He spoke in his famous inaugural of a "new generation of Americans, born in the 20th century".  All prior Presidents were born prior to 1900
  • 1908, August 27 - LBJ served 1963-1969 and died 1/22/73 (two days after Nixon's second inaugural) at 64
  • 1913, January 9 - Nixon served 1969-1974 and died 4/22/94 at 81
  • 1913, July 14 - Ford served 1974-1977 and died 12/26/06 at 93 - Only person to serve as President who was NEVER elected either President or Vice President
  • 1924, October 1 - Carter served 1977-1981 and died 12/29/24 at 100
  • 1911, February 6 - Reagan served 1981-1989 and died 6/5/2004 at 93
  • 1924, June 12 - Bush I served 1989-1993 and died 11/30/18 at 94
  • 1946, August 19 - Clinton served 1993-2001 and is alive at 78
  • 1946, July 6 - Bush II served 2001-2009 and is alive at 78
  • 1961, August 4 - Obama served 2009-2017 and is alive at 63
  • 1946, June 14 - Trump served 2017-2021 and 2025 and is alive at 78
  • 1942, November 20 - Biden served 2021-2025 and is alive at 82

Biden is almost a boomer having been born during the war rather than after it like the boomers.  Obama is a boomer but near the tail end of that group.  It is interesting that Clinton, Bush II, and Trump were all born within just over two months of one-another in the summer of 1946.  They are all early boomers as the baby boom is 1946-1964.  

Age at election:
  • 43 JFK in 1960; loser Nixon was 47
  • 56 LBJ in 1964; loser Goldwater was 55
  • 55 Nixon in 1968; loser Humphrey was 57
  • 59 Nixon in 1972; loser McGovern was 50
  • 53 Carter in 1976; loser Ford was 63
  • 69 Reagan in 1980; loser Carter was 57
  • 73 Reagan in 1984; loser Mondale was 56
  • 64 Bush I in 1988; loser Dukakis was 55
  • 46 Clinton in 1992; loser Bush I was 68
  • 50 Clinton in 1996; loser Dole was 73
  • 54 Bush II in 2000; loser Gore was 52
  • 58 Bush II in 2004; loser Kerry was 59
  • 47 Obama in 2008; loser McCain was 72
  • 51 Obama in 2012; loser Romney was 65
  • 70 Trump in 2016; loser Clinton was 69
  • 77 Biden in 2020; loser Trump was 74
  • 78 Trump in 2024; loser Harris was 60 although the elected nominee was the 81 year old Biden


Note that Gore (48), Kerry (43), Romney (47), and H Clinton (47) were also born right near the beginning of the baby boom.  Harris (64) is a tail-end Boomer like Obama.  Vance (84) skips GenX altogether.  

From 1992-2024 6 of 9 POTUS elections were won by a man born in 1946 and another was won by a man born in 1942 so 7 of 9 were won by either early boomers or late pre-boomers.  

Looking forward, there does seem to be a pretty strong chance that GenX will be skipped.  Wiki defines GenX as 1965-1980 so by the time of the 2028 election they will be:
  • 63 for those born in 1965
  • 48 for those born in 1980
That is prime Presidential age but we may see a late boomer (like Harris) or a Millenial (like Vance).  

Vance seems like a HEAVY favorite to be the Republican nominee.  Trump is 78 and has already been the victim of multiple assassination attempts.  Even ignoring the assassination attempts and the stress of being POTUS, the chance of a random 78 year old man dying within the next 3.5 years is obviously not trivial.  Thus, there is an appreciable chance that Vance will be running as the incumbent in 2028.  

On the Democratic side:
  • Harris (64) is a Boomer
  • Newsom (67) is GenX
  • Shapiro (73) is GenX


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« Reply #43788 on: April 23, 2025, 11:21:47 AM »
I don't remember her at all.  My VJs were Nina Blackwood, Mark Goodman, J.J. Jackson, Alan Hunter, and Martha Quinn.  And of course Kurt Loder doing the "news."
Most of them are now DJ's on Sirius 80's on 8.  I listen to them a lot.  

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« Reply #43789 on: April 23, 2025, 11:25:25 AM »
  • 1942, November 20 - Biden served 2021-2025 and is alive at 82


Highly Debatable.

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« Reply #43790 on: April 23, 2025, 11:28:37 AM »
I think it was more that he said he wouldn't raise taxes, and then did so anyway.  :)
But I think that is kinda the point.  

Bush obviously had to know that raising taxes after his "Read my lips, no new taxes" pledge would be politically damaging but the budget was hopelessly out of balance so he went back on the pledge KNOWING that it would damage him politically.  

Whatever you think of Bush I, you have to assume that he did this because he thought it was what was best for the Country because why else would he do it?  He obviously knew that it would hurt him politically.  

The point made by @Gigem was that Bush I took the deficit problem seriously whereas every President since would probably have simply raised the debt ceiling instead.  

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« Reply #43791 on: April 23, 2025, 11:29:44 AM »
  • 1942, November 20 - Biden served 2021-2025 and is alive at 82

Highly Debatable.
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