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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42280 on: February 24, 2025, 03:20:48 PM »
One thing to remember about the NYT and 100% of all "media outlets" is that they're not in the news business per se.  They're in the ads business.  The more people who watch, the more ads they sell.  Of course, when people subscribe to their newspaper they do get revenue, but I'd wager that they get a lot more revenue from ads than they do subscriptions.  Same with TV news or all the other news sources (radio, print, TV, websites).  

The other thing that tempers me is that about 90% of the people running these shows are what I'd consider to be liberal democrats.  And I'm not trying to denigrate their political viewpoints and choices, I'm simply stating the facts.  I'm talking mostly about the national news media, people like Gayle King and any of the major news heads.  Not only are the primary anchors hard to the left, most of the whole news team is as well.  The only exception to this is somebody like Fox News or some of the other News organizations out there that cater to the right (OAN etc).  So even if they are trying to report things as accurately as possible, they are still doing it from their ideological point of view.  CNN and MSNBC, hard Left.  Fox seems to be hard right, but in all honesty they tend to fluctuate.  The end result is that you get a lot of reporting that seems really scary.  Which divides opinions and draws viewership.  Boo for the other team, hooray for our team.  

I'm reminded that in a movie a long time ago, they told Howard Stern that the people who love him listen for an average of 12 minutes or something.  The kicker was that people who hated him listed for twice as long.  It was the people who hated his show and hated him that gave him the biggest mouthpiece.  

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« Reply #42281 on: February 24, 2025, 03:27:32 PM »
Sorry about your tiny weenie.  LOL
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« Reply #42282 on: February 24, 2025, 03:31:21 PM »
it's your civic duty
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« Reply #42283 on: February 24, 2025, 03:35:44 PM »
One thing to remember about the NYT and 100% of all "media outlets" is that they're not in the news business per se.  They're in the ads business.  The more people who watch, the more ads they sell.  Of course, when people subscribe to their newspaper they do get revenue, but I'd wager that they get a lot more revenue from ads than they do subscriptions.  Same with TV news or all the other news sources (radio, print, TV, websites). 

The other thing that tempers me is that about 90% of the people running these shows are what I'd consider to be liberal democrats.  And I'm not trying to denigrate their political viewpoints and choices, I'm simply stating the facts.  I'm talking mostly about the national news media, people like Gayle King and any of the major news heads.  Not only are the primary anchors hard to the left, most of the whole news team is as well.  The only exception to this is somebody like Fox News or some of the other News organizations out there that cater to the right (OAN etc).  So even if they are trying to report things as accurately as possible, they are still doing it from their ideological point of view.  CNN and MSNBC, hard Left.  Fox seems to be hard right, but in all honesty they tend to fluctuate.  The end result is that you get a lot of reporting that seems really scary.  Which divides opinions and draws viewership.  Boo for the other team, hooray for our team. 

I'm reminded that in a movie a long time ago, they told Howard Stern that the people who love him listen for an average of 12 minutes or something.  The kicker was that people who hated him listed for twice as long.  It was the people who hated his show and hated him that gave him the biggest mouthpiece. 


Fox News is as fake as anything else, imo.  They just use a bit of a different playbook than their left-leaning counterparts.  

That movie was called Private Parts, iirc, and I remember the scene you're talking about.  I don't doubt that it was true.  

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« Reply #42284 on: February 24, 2025, 03:45:04 PM »
One thing to remember about the NYT and 100% of all "media outlets" is that they're not in the news business per se.  They're in the ads business.  The more people who watch, the more ads they sell.  Of course, when people subscribe to their newspaper they do get revenue, but I'd wager that they get a lot more revenue from ads than they do subscriptions.  Same with TV news or all the other news sources (radio, print, TV, websites). 

The other thing that tempers me is that about 90% of the people running these shows are what I'd consider to be liberal democrats.  And I'm not trying to denigrate their political viewpoints and choices, I'm simply stating the facts.  I'm talking mostly about the national news media, people like Gayle King and any of the major news heads.  Not only are the primary anchors hard to the left, most of the whole news team is as well.  The only exception to this is somebody like Fox News or some of the other News organizations out there that cater to the right (OAN etc).  So even if they are trying to report things as accurately as possible, they are still doing it from their ideological point of view.  CNN and MSNBC, hard Left.  Fox seems to be hard right, but in all honesty they tend to fluctuate.  The end result is that you get a lot of reporting that seems really scary.  Which divides opinions and draws viewership.  Boo for the other team, hooray for our team. 

I'm reminded that in a movie a long time ago, they told Howard Stern that the people who love him listen for an average of 12 minutes or something.  The kicker was that people who hated him listed for twice as long.  It was the people who hated his show and hated him that gave him the biggest mouthpiece. 
corporate news media exists basically only to propagandize the public in order to manufacture consent. to give the illusion of informing the public and the patina of allowing voices for dissent- but that dissent is allowable only up-to a certain point and within a very narrow spectrum.

as chomsky often said, dictators would be envious of the uniformity and obedience of U.S. media. when people in the Soviet Union were reading Pravda they knew they were being lied to. Here people read NYT and they think it's gospel- which is fucking amazing to me considering that paper pushed probably the two greatest hoaxes on the American public in modern history- the second Iraq War and RussiaGate- and then gave themselves Pulitzer prize awards for doing so.

but you're right, media is filthy. ad money has basically created insane conflicts of interest for them to ever tell truth about anything. they are going to protect the ad dollars at all costs- and there are even sleazy things like billionaires like Bill Gates doling out hundreds of millions of dollars in grants via his foundation in order to basically buy favorable news coverage. then of course there's the whole US-A.I.D. clusterfuck with it's tentacles all over the OCCRP and other phony NGO's it funds or outright controls- which media will always uncritically cite in any news reports. US media today is mostly sensationalism, outright fabrication and lies (looking at you WMD's in Iraq), or half-truth and lying by omission- often leaving details of vital importance out of a story.

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« Reply #42285 on: February 24, 2025, 03:45:16 PM »
I THINK one can get a decent picture of events by reading a variety of sites, the business sites to me seem most ... nonpartisan, and they don't bother with what some star did over the weekend (usually).  There also is a place called All Sides which seems OK to me.

AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.
AllSides | Balanced news and media bias ratings. Unbiased news doesn't exist.

I figure the all have some biases, reading a variety can ferret those out, usually.  I find The Hill to be useful, I have seen some liberals claim WashPo and NYT have sold out and are not longer to their liking, and some conservatives claim the same about Fox News.

It says something about those people more than anything I think.

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« Reply #42286 on: February 24, 2025, 03:57:41 PM »
same shit, different day. Scott Gottlieb works at Pfizer as well, was appointed to their board of directors and to something called their "Regulatory and Compliance Committee and the Science and Technology Committee" - and given really cushy compensation package no doubt- basically immediately after he left his spot as the commissioner of the FDA.

They of course give people like this no-show light work board & committee jobs and pay them million dollars for their expertise of course....and NOT for their connections in the federal bureaucracy or to politicians. Definitely not that.


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« Reply #42287 on: February 24, 2025, 04:14:54 PM »
I figure the all have some biases, reading a variety can ferret those out, usually. 
No such thing as "unbiased."  It's simply philosophically untenable.  There is no such thing as lacking a "lens" through which you see the world.  Attempting to be as unbiased as you possibly can be goes a long way.  It can never get you there (where "you" in this case, is a reporter).  

Even if they report every single fact of a story and omit none that they've found, they still make choices about what stories need to be told with their limited time and resources.  That's necessarily influenced by their bias.  And that's just one way it's unavoidable.

Mind you, I'm not saying we should throw our hands in the air and give up.  I'm just saying when someone tells me they're unbiased, I say "psh."   

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« Reply #42288 on: February 24, 2025, 04:17:25 PM »

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« Reply #42289 on: February 24, 2025, 04:28:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1893867638369009926


Scare story from 60 minutes.
I don't have 60 minutes.  Do you have a synopsis? :)

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« Reply #42290 on: February 24, 2025, 04:36:40 PM »
 media is filthy. ad money has basically created insane conflicts of interest for them to ever tell truth about anything. they are going to protect the ad dollars at all costs- and there are even sleazy things like billionaires like Bill Gates doling out hundreds of millions of dollars in grants via his foundation in order to basically buy favorable news coverage. then of course there's the whole US-A.I.D. clusterfuck with it's tentacles all over the OCCRP and other phony NGO's it funds or outright controls- which media will always uncritically cite in any news reports. US media today is mostly sensationalism, outright fabrication and lies (looking at you WMD's in Iraq), or half-truth and lying by omission- often leaving details of vital importance out of a story.
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« Reply #42291 on: February 24, 2025, 04:38:49 PM »
I don't have 60 minutes.  Do you have a synopsis? :)

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« Reply #42292 on: February 24, 2025, 04:59:51 PM »
it's sometimes assumed that corporations hide revenue to avoid paying taxes and for other obvious reasons
As somebody who had worked for some very large "public" companies, it is really had to hid revenue to any great degree due to the regular audit.  And when you are a super large public company a set of auditors are on site just about year around with regular testing of the accounting results. There are ways to modify the bottom line without it costing you "cash" as long as you can justify the adjustments you make, which isn't too hard if you know your business. but even that is questioned by the auditors and will be listed in the notes on the audit report, so investors know what is going on.

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« Reply #42293 on: February 24, 2025, 07:01:22 PM »
we had spy planes like the SR-71 blackbird
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