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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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847badgerfan

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42196 on: February 23, 2025, 01:06:25 PM »
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They just pocket it.
They employ people who they pay, and those employees pay taxes. There is also corporate income tax, and corporate contributions to social security.

Every project gets audited.

(Yes, we do Federal work.)
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« Reply #42197 on: February 23, 2025, 01:07:12 PM »
Here's where we are?  Making light of large swaths of people suddenly losing their jobs?  Fantastic.
It’s unpleasant. But it has to happen if we want a future as a country. 

It’s my understanding that most of the people affected have been given 8 months full pay and benefits. A lot more than we we get in the real world. 

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« Reply #42198 on: February 23, 2025, 01:10:08 PM »
They employ people who they pay, and those employees pay taxes. There is also corporate income tax, and corporate contributions to social security.

Every project gets audited.

(Yes, we do Federal work.)
Whatever makes makes it okay in your mind.
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« Reply #42199 on: February 23, 2025, 01:34:39 PM »
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They just pocket it.
I know of a few large communications companies that have seemed to do that
when they get audited and caught, they just pay the fines which are substantially less 
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« Reply #42200 on: February 23, 2025, 02:24:36 PM »
I’m always fascinated by the waste companies have. Granted, I’m a naturally frugal person. 

(And the spending up to budget thing is a case of bad incentives, for sure)

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« Reply #42201 on: February 23, 2025, 02:33:10 PM »
It seems to me that nobody understands how Federal contracts work, for those of us who aren't crooks.

The Feds who control the purse know who the crooks are, because they are crooks themselves. 

Takes one to know one.
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« Reply #42202 on: February 23, 2025, 05:13:56 PM »
People being fired is obviously regrettable, but somehow someway "we" do need to curtail Federal spending and the deficit.  I really have little hope it will happen, my best current guess is that Elon's stuff is mostly smoke and mirrors and, at best, MAYBE tens of billions (I doubt that).  

Congress authorizes spending, and the money is meant to be spent, effectively if possible of course, but you can't save what was appropriated to be spent without impoundment, which likely won't pass legal muster.

All these "savings" are not really savings in terms of the budget, as I see it.  Perhaps I am missing something.

A real plan to cut the deficit significantly would be enormously painful for a lot of people.  Failure to do it will be enormously painful for us all.

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« Reply #42203 on: February 23, 2025, 05:17:03 PM »
All these "savings" are not really savings in terms of the budget, as I see it.  Perhaps I am missing something.
Just calling something savings, while looking at one side of the ledger tells me you failed Accounting 101.

They could have just cut all of Tesla and SpaceXs handouts and contracts, and saved more money than DOGE has "saved".  I can save my family a bunch of money by not buying food.  Simply cutting spending blindly is what happens when you conduct an audit without anyone is is competent to conduct an audit.  We all agree the government needs an audit.  So hire people competent to do it, not Elon and his wagon of incels

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« Reply #42204 on: February 23, 2025, 10:17:53 PM »
Just calling something savings, while looking at one side of the ledger tells me you failed Accounting 101.

They could have just cut all of Tesla and SpaceXs handouts and contracts, and saved more money than DOGE has "saved".  I can save my family a bunch of money by not buying food.  Simply cutting spending blindly is what happens when you conduct an audit without anyone is is competent to conduct an audit.  We all agree the government needs an audit.  So hire people competent to do it, not Elon and his wagon of incels
first of all Tesla does not get any handouts. The $7,500 EV tax credits were extended by the Biden administration for all auto manufacturers to try and generate more EV sales in the US. Ya know, their whole "green new deal" bullshit. It is not a hand out directly to Tesla- it's a handout to the entire auto industry- and it actually hurts Tesla. I'm all for the US gov't getting rid of the EV subsidies- so long as they get rid of the gas subsidies as well. FYI those subsidies are FAR greater than any EV subsidies.

And that $400 million contract (which is a pittance in a $7 trillion budget) for armored EV's for the State Department was awarded to Tesla by....you guessed it....the Biden administration....as again it was part of that administration mandating all State Department vehicles be zero emission by 2032- part of it's whole "green new deal" bullshit. Tesla was the only bidder and if you think about it for even half a second you'd realize they were the only EV company in the US who could've realistically completed the contract anywhere near said price- which is probably why they were the only ones who bid on it. All moot point anyway- as Trump is decidedly not a complete fucking brain dead retard like his predecessor- and has canceled the contract. The few contracts Tesla has with the federal government are peanuts- you're talking around $4 to 5 million IN TOTAL. And again, awarded to Tesla by....the Biden administration...and again, not exactly like there are a ton of companies offering what he is selling for the government to buy- so when the government wants solar power walls or EV's...well they are probably going to go to the low cost provider leader in the field- which hint: Tesla is.

Complaining about Elon's SpaceX contracts is well, pretty retarded. Elon's SpaceX contracts are not handouts. They are contracts awarded to perform very important, crucial, and sensitive work that very few companies on planet earth- let alone in the US can actually- you know- do. SpaceX designs & builds for NASA, launches satellites for NASA, and runs payloads to and from the ISS. SpaceX also launches military satellites for DoD- and Musk and that company alone have slashed the costs of launching payloads into low earth orbit by something like 95%. SpaceX is arguably the single most successful contractor the DoD & NASA have. If his SpaceX contracts were scrapped this country would be literally FUCKED. Boeing can't even build a safe airplane on budget or on time....LULZ. Every other major defense contractor does nothing but literally steal money. Say HI to the F-35 for me while you're bitching about Elon's SpaceX contracts- which are a pittance compared to the Northrop Grumman's, Boeing's, General Dynamics', Lockheed Martin's, and Raytheon's of the world- those guys are actual defense contractors and they pretty much have been ripping off the US taxpayer for oh the last 60-70 years.

Elon has co-founded or ran like 6 multi-billion dollar enterprises- pretty sure he knows a thing or two about accounting. his wagon of incels? sick burn. you mean his multi-millionaire computer dorks who have higher IQs than literally every person on this forum, working in the federal government, or in the Senate or House? those guys? yeah, I think they are pretty competent and that they are just fine where they are at. And women fucking love money and are pretty expert at using their pussies to get into men's wallets- so my guess is those guys have no problem getting laid.

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« Reply #42205 on: February 23, 2025, 11:37:19 PM »
If you have a good business, you don't need government handouts, but hes just another welfare bitch.  He's taking pictures with a chainsaw, to compensate for,.well we all know.

I will say it's nice for all the small dick people to finally have their King.  He has a bunch of kids that he ignores, and he's contingent on government handouts, he is a welfare b****
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« Reply #42206 on: February 23, 2025, 11:54:11 PM »
I know Elon has the 2 inch dick vote on lockdown, but I dont care who gave that welfare bitch his handouts, cancel them all, and make him repay them with interest.  Unless its not actually about cutting waste spending

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« Reply #42207 on: February 23, 2025, 11:54:30 PM »
If only the highest IQs came with an ethics component.
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« Reply #42208 on: February 23, 2025, 11:55:09 PM »
I know Elon has the 2 inch dick vote on lockdown, but I dont care who gave that welfare bitch his handouts, cancel them all, and make him repay them with interest.  Unless its not actually about cutting waste spending
You must give him online bjs so that he might one day sprinkle some pennies your way.
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« Reply #42209 on: February 24, 2025, 06:36:54 AM »
I've noted before how easy it is to spot some wrong and how hard it usually is to suggest some viable remedy.




 

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