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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41552 on: January 30, 2025, 04:40:08 PM »
Wisconsin’s College of letters and sciences didn’t even let you declare for a major until you’ve been there three semesters. I always kind of like that outlook.
In a lot of majors you need to get started very quickly.  I kind of like the European system, there if you major in say biology, you only take biology courses (and closely related courses).  You don't take history and sociology etc.   They presume you learned all that in HS.

They also only admit around 38% of HS graduates while the figure here is nearly double that.

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« Reply #41553 on: January 30, 2025, 04:41:04 PM »
I had civil engineering dialed in by the time my senior year started, but my junior year my targeted major changed faster than the display of a slot machine.

U of M CSE also doesn't have you declare a major until between sophomore and junior year, when you apply to upper division. However, the list of prerequisites is sufficiently tight to keep you on a fairly narrow track until that time.

My situation was probably not comparable to a lot of yours, and I wouldn't realize it until many years later. What is not comparable to now is the entry requirements. I would not even sniff admission now with my academic profile. Then again, my former HS is three times the size now as it was then, so the class offerings are much larger now than then.

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« Reply #41554 on: January 30, 2025, 04:43:41 PM »
Guess it depends on the field and the company.  For EE, most firms I've worked for that are hiring fresh-outs, give preference to undergrads from top EE schools.  When a job listing has hundreds or thousands of applicants, it's a quick way for them to narrow the field.  I'm not saying it's a good way to do it, but it's something that is done.
The bigger schools are also a place where recruiting happens directly. Purdue has the Industrial Roundtable every year, a big job fair. That's how I got linked with the first company I worked for. 

Sometimes that leads to a bit of a pipeline--we had a lot of people in that company from the University of Toronto. I *think* that sometimes they would use the NCGs from that school to go and recruit said school... I say "think" as I got hired right at the peak of the dotcom bubble and by the time I was 2 months into the new job, the company had a hiring freeze. So I never got the opportunity to go back and be part of the Purdue recruiting team :57:

It matters if you are interviewing with an alum of that school.  The "status" of the degree does not, and I don't know that it has for a generation.  Hell, even an Ivy League degree holds no weight outside of the network you have bought your way into

I don't know how much weight that carries in engineering specifically. It might help build a rapport, which always helps of course, but I don't think it's anything like it is in other fields. And IMHO in engineering once anyone is 5 years out of school, nobody cares where they went... All they care about is what they've done since. 

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« Reply #41555 on: January 30, 2025, 04:49:13 PM »
In law, it's a HUGE deal for first jobs.  Pitt is miles ahead of Duquesne in reputation, but I knew if I walked into an interview and there was a Duquesne diploma behind him, I wasn't getting that job.

I interviewed for an unpaid clerkship in Michigan, and the guy interviewing me said "wow, Pitt, Ivy League, that's impressive."  I think he was thinking of Penn, but it wasn't a question, so I just didn't acknowledge it.  He thought I went to Penn Law, and didn't even get a 2nd interview.  He was a UM Law grad, and I assume everyone who got a 2nd interview was also a UM Law applicant.

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« Reply #41556 on: January 30, 2025, 05:30:49 PM »
The bigger schools are also a place where recruiting happens directly. Purdue has the Industrial Roundtable every year, a big job fair. That's how I got linked with the first company I worked for.

Sometimes that leads to a bit of a pipeline--we had a lot of people in that company from the University of Toronto. I *think* that sometimes they would use the NCGs from that school to go and recruit said school... I say "think" as I got hired right at the peak of the dotcom bubble and by the time I was 2 months into the new job, the company had a hiring freeze. So I never got the opportunity to go back and be part of the Purdue recruiting team :57:

I don't know how much weight that carries in engineering specifically. It might help build a rapport, which always helps of course, but I don't think it's anything like it is in other fields. And IMHO in engineering once anyone is 5 years out of school, nobody cares where they went... All they care about is what they've done since.

Absolutely.  The company I work for has active recruiting presence on a handful of campuses.  For undergrad it's mostly concentrated at the major engineering programs, and the major business programs. And then for grad school it's entirely MBA and it's only at the very top MBA grad schools.  Including McCombs School of Business at UT, of course. 

And to the second point, also agree 100%.  Five years out, nobody cares.  But initially, going to a top school, can open more doors for you, than not.

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« Reply #41557 on: January 30, 2025, 05:41:08 PM »
Do you think the source of an undergraduate degree means much to potential employers?


it only matters to those involved in the hiring process
some of those folks are impressed, others are not.
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« Reply #41558 on: January 30, 2025, 06:04:48 PM »
And to the second point, also agree 100%.  Five years out, nobody cares.  But initially, going to a top school, can open more doors for you, than not.
Yes. A top school with a good reputation is more likely to open a door than not. And as I've often stated, it has nothing to do with the education you've received. It's that a top school usually has tighter admission standards, so to an extent you're using the school's filter as far as quality of admitted students to buttress your own filter trying to identify high-quality applicants. 

The difference IMHO (per @ELA 's point) is that I'm not sure, especially at bigger firms for engineering, that going to the same school as one of your interviewers is all that important. If I'm talking to NCG applicants, and I've got applicants from Berkeley, Michigan, MIT, and Purdue, I know where Purdue fits in that pecking order. I'm not going to give a lot of extra weight to the Purdue applicant just because I went there. 

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« Reply #41559 on: January 30, 2025, 06:09:39 PM »
Yes. A top school with a good reputation is more likely to open a door than not. And as I've often stated, it has nothing to do with the education you've received. It's that a top school usually has tighter admission standards, so to an extent you're using the school's filter as far as quality of admitted students to buttress your own filter trying to identify high-quality applicants.

The difference IMHO (per @ELA 's point) is that I'm not sure, especially at bigger firms for engineering, that going to the same school as one of your interviewers is all that important. If I'm talking to NCG applicants, and I've got applicants from Berkeley, Michigan, MIT, and Purdue, I know where Purdue fits in that pecking order. I'm not going to give a lot of extra weight to the Purdue applicant just because I went there.

Oh yeah agree with that for sure.  The good ol' boy network isn't nearly as prevalent or important among science/engineering/tech majors.  I'd say "that's for obvious reasons," but it might only be obvious to science/engineering/tech majors.

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« Reply #41560 on: January 30, 2025, 07:23:07 PM »
In law, it's a HUGE deal for first jobs.  Pitt is miles ahead of Duquesne in reputation, but I knew if I walked into an interview and there was a Duquesne diploma behind him, I wasn't getting that job.

I interviewed for an unpaid clerkship in Michigan, and the guy interviewing me said "wow, Pitt, Ivy League, that's impressive."  I think he was thinking of Penn, but it wasn't a question, so I just didn't acknowledge it.  He thought I went to Penn Law, and didn't even get a 2nd interview.  He was a UM Law grad, and I assume everyone who got a 2nd interview was also a UM Law applicant.
This is a gross part of the profession. Once you've been in practice for a while, this diminishes, but there are some people for whom it always matters. My boss, when I was in-house, was a degree snob (and a Stanford grad, go figure). I think I barely passed her test, but being a vet helped. 

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« Reply #41561 on: January 30, 2025, 10:22:20 PM »
I truly don't give two Fks where someone went to college when I interview.   I don't think I could name the alma maters of my entire team and immediate colleagues.   I do however, have total biases against certain company's they may have worked at before.    there a couple places some of us would say,  No F ing way.  our track record with 'those people' is awful, so we need some incredibly extreme exception to consider them.

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« Reply #41562 on: January 30, 2025, 10:31:51 PM »
I think my alma mater helped catch some attention when I got my first job.

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« Reply #41563 on: January 31, 2025, 12:27:19 AM »
Yes. A top school with a good reputation is more likely to open a door than not. And as I've often stated, it has nothing to do with the education you've received. It's that a top school usually has tighter admission standards, so to an extent you're using the school's filter as far as quality of admitted students to buttress your own filter trying to identify high-quality applicants.

The difference IMHO (per @ELA 's point) is that I'm not sure, especially at bigger firms for engineering, that going to the same school as one of your interviewers is all that important. If I'm talking to NCG applicants, and I've got applicants from Berkeley, Michigan, MIT, and Purdue, I know where Purdue fits in that pecking order. I'm not going to give a lot of extra weight to the Purdue applicant just because I went there.

And my sister, who graduated from UM engineering said the same.  I think it might be a law school thing.  But theres a reason the biggest villain in Jurassic Park was the blood sucking lawyer.  

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« Reply #41564 on: January 31, 2025, 12:42:49 AM »
An airplane crashed into a helicopter because of diversity.  
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« Reply #41565 on: January 31, 2025, 07:55:17 AM »
An airplane crashed into a helicopter because of diversity. 
It's possible this is correct, but very unconfirmed and subject to rumor.


Trans pilot Jo Ellis rumored to be Black Hawk pilot in fatal collision over Potomac River

 

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