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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39774 on: November 17, 2024, 02:36:04 PM »
6 Reasons Why High-Fructose Corn Syrup Is Bad for You
That "article" is simply bogus and also factually incorrect.  It's ridiculous in fact.

I'm a big proponent of limiting sugar intake because of fructose, but HFCS42 is not higher in fructose than table sugar, it's usually lower.  HFCS55 is marginally higher, 55% vs 50%.  As for "authority", I pretty much trust basic chemistry.

And this IS basic chemistry.  It's not as if it's some opinion.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39775 on: November 17, 2024, 02:38:03 PM »
corn isn't really all that sweet naturally
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« Reply #39776 on: November 17, 2024, 02:40:31 PM »
That "article" is simply bogus and also factually incorrect.  It's ridiculous in fact.

I'm a big proponent of limiting sugar intake because of fructose, but HFCS42 is not higher in fructose than table sugar, it's usually lower.  HFCS55 is marginally higher, 55% vs 50%.  As for "authority", I pretty much trust basic chemistry.

And this IS basic chemistry.  It's not as if it's some opinion.
well you seem to be a very intelligent guy.  Well versed on many subjects I would add.  But given the choice between taking advice on this from you, or EVERY DOCTOR OR NUTRIONIST I HAVE EVER ASKED, I will defer to the medical professionals.    Nothing personal.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39777 on: November 17, 2024, 02:43:33 PM »
As I said, limiting SUGAR intake from ALL sources is a very good strategy.  That means table sugar, HFCS, honey, though corn syrup is close to pure glucose, which doesn't have the bad actor (fructose).

I've backed up every assertion I've made with simple fact.


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« Reply #39778 on: November 17, 2024, 02:56:01 PM »
If it has added sugar, it's not touching my tongue. 
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39779 on: November 17, 2024, 03:07:21 PM »
I have joked the five major food groups are sugar, salt, fat, alcohol, and caffeine.  Unfortunately, for us, our taste buds like the first three, and they can be used to generate fairly tasty food types cheaply.  Many of us also like the last two.  

Avoiding anything with "added sugar" is indeed a good strategy, but it's not easy of course.  I think if one avoids at least aisles containing breakfast cereals and salted snacks, you are going fairly well.  

Some wines have added sugar in the vinification process, called Chaptalization.  This is fairly common in regions where grapes often don't reach desired sugar content before harvesting (brix).  Champagne is one example.

I like the concept of avoiding the middle aisles in a grocery store, obviously dried beans would be fine.  I  stopped eating dessert with few exceptions years back after reading about fructose.

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« Reply #39780 on: November 17, 2024, 03:36:22 PM »
I don't have a sweet tooth, don't eat many things that are sweet or high in sugar

I'm sure I get plenty of sugar w/o trying
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« Reply #39781 on: November 17, 2024, 04:12:33 PM »
No sugar tonite in my coffee
No sugar tonite in my tea
No sugar to stand beside me
No sugar to run with me
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« Reply #39782 on: November 17, 2024, 04:31:50 PM »
I do have that type of sweet tooth

pour some sugar on me
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« Reply #39783 on: November 17, 2024, 06:24:31 PM »
Gonna have to find your own pilgrim - who do you think I am - Huggy Bear?
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« Reply #39784 on: November 17, 2024, 06:37:23 PM »
I don't have a sweet tooth, don't eat many things that are sweet or high in sugar

I'm sure I get plenty of sugar w/o trying
This is the thing.  HFCS is in a ton of random shit you wouldn't even think it's in.  We infuse all the processed stuff with sugar or salt for no damn reason, besides our trained tastes to want it.  Trained over decades.

"Low fat" stuff = more sugar
"Low sugar" stuff = more fats

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« Reply #39785 on: November 17, 2024, 08:53:50 PM »
I don't eat low sugar or low fat stuff either

I do know that I still ingest plenty of crap

I don't read labels - it's depressing

I think avoiding fast food helps
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« Reply #39786 on: November 17, 2024, 09:22:38 PM »
well you seem to be a very intelligent guy.  Well versed on many subjects I would add.  But given the choice between taking advice on this from you, or EVERY DOCTOR OR NUTRIONIST I HAVE EVER ASKED, I will defer to the medical professionals.    Nothing personal.
So super anti RFK Jr. presumably?

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« Reply #39787 on: November 17, 2024, 09:24:29 PM »
I have a random question, but it's not poll-worthy....just like to see if there's any general consensus.


Do you hold either OSU QB in higher esteem than the other:
Justin Fields
CJ Stroud
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As in, when you think of them, do you rank one over the other?  
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